Please forgive my late reply. My wife just got back from doing the consulting on a Marathon well in North Dakota for the last 46 days and just came back. I actually haven't seen her since late October due to my work and her's.
I'll try and post here each day.
I thought I'd present my position in 4 parts.
Evidence, what is it.
My methods and results.
Part 3 and 4 goes to extending that and to what I found out.
Hi RAZD Objective=unbiased Empirical=based upon experience or experiment
These are the basic parameters that I have used in discussing this topic with others (including many atheists): do you agree with them?
No, I do not.
I come out of my house and notice a tire on my 2010 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited is flat.
I need to know what you would do. I change the tire because I have 100% confidence it is flat.
If you collect a large number of people to find out what they observe and need to read their entire peer reviewed literature before you change the tire I need to know about that. It means you have a profound psychological problem or you are playing some debate game.
Your psychological problems I can deal with, your debate games I will not deal with.
It seems to me that unless a single person can make a valid objective empirical observation of the world science is impossible.
I am a petroleum geologist. I can show someone a world wide flood did not occur. It may take me weeks or months, but I will do it without quoting or referencing another single geologist whose work I did not check. It is based on things I have actually seen and worked on. It is not based on things I’ve read about.
That would be a belief. Not a bad thing since we progress forward as a civilization based upon the work and experience of others.
You don't need to write me a Mitchner novel everytime you answer.
I've read this stuff before.
I asked a simple question. If you come outside and see your tire is flat. Do you have 100% confidence that it is?
I was trying to figure out what you were doing. Since my question was simple. Why are you telling me about all the reasons a tire can be flat? Why the whole thing about concepts and how certain you are of them?
RAZD I came to the conclusion you think God is an idea, a concept, and abstract idea.
I'll show you why I don't think that is true.
If you will empty your tea cup, and just answer my simple questions this will go much faster.
Don't think about what my questions mean, just answer them.
I don’t care WHY the tire is flat, just that it is.
Let me try doing this a different way.
When I was 14, that would be 47 years ago, I came out of my parent’s house and walked down the driveway. My dog was digging a hole about 10 feet from the road.
I went over there and there was no pre-existing hole. So I thought what the hell is he doing. Now I’ve known this dog for 9 years and he is a great hunter and no dummy.
So I went to the garage and got a hoe to help him dig the hole he was working on.
This dog was great. He would dig until he got tired, step back and then let me dig until I got tired. We went back and forth. We hit many tree roots, sometimes I could break them with the hoe. One time I had one about ¾” thick. I couldn’t break it, he just went into the hole and ripped it apart with his teeth., I couldn’t believe it.
RAZD all this time I didn’t know what we were doing other than digging a hole for no reason. But you understand RAZD, that would be because my tea cup was over flowing and I didn’t understand the dog knew something about the world I did not.
As we continued doing this, I come across what I think is another root. Covered in dirt, I grab it and it moves. Scared the fucking shit out of me. There is an animal at the bottom of this hole. For whatever reason, the sent of my fear, or the emotion of my fear, my dog went crazy.
He pulled a huge ground hog out of that hole, it flipped through the air, and it landed on its feet. An exchange with my dog left my dog with about a 4” cut on his left paw.
He was pissed. He grabbed it by the neck and beat it against an Oak tree, until its neck was broken and it was dead.
Never seen anything happen this fast in my life. Martial arts pros suck in comparison.
I have 100% confidence this happened.
Tell me something that happened to you in your past that you have 100% confidence in having occurred
P.S. You don’t where I’m going here, if you did we wouldn’t be having this debate. Dump that tea cup out!