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frako
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Message 11 of 190 (604741)
02-14-2011 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by goldrush
02-13-2011 10:31 AM


If evolution is true, where did the very first man get his knowledge and instruction?
He learned and passed the knowledge on. As most animals do tough animals do not get taught language, math... they get thought what to hunt how to hunt.....
Where did he receive his language,
With a big enough brain and seeing someone running from a tiger and screaminng aaaaaaaaaaaa he could easily make the first word for danger aaaaa!!!!, with time their vocabulary got larger sentences where formed ...... and wuoala you got yourself a language.
and what enabled him to develop his sense of morality and values?
After language the Alpha males probably got screwed why because the lower on the tribe chain males could form a pact to take out the bully alpha and you get a trait that is selected fore dont be a cunt or the others will gang up on you and kill you you wont be able to breed and your bullying geens will not get passed on, with cooperation those first moral laws probably got enhanced the less bad you are to your tribesman the more likely he will help you if you find yourself in trouble on a mammoth hunt and if you help your tribesman who is in trouble on a mammoth hunt you will probably be helped in turn if you get in trouble so in both cases the geens get passed on more likely.
If it all came from animals, why don't we all still use identical language and behavior of animals?
Not even the same species of some animals use the same sounds as their "language" forgot what typ of animal was being recorded, tough the sounds that the same species in different places was making at night was very different, and playing those sound in the region that produced the same sound and the region that produced different sounds yielded different results.
different species use the same sighnes for different purposes a dog waggling his tail is happy a cat waving its tail is usually annoyed.
In the same way if a human smiles he is happy, if most species of monkeys smile they are not smiling but showing you their teeth saying if you dont back off il bite you.
Why aren't we all like Tarzan?
Cause we where not raised by apes in the jungle we where raised by ape cousins humans in a human culture.
Animals are more or less sure of things (instinct).
not true releasing a captive animal that had no contact with its own species in the wild is fatal to the animal because it does not know how to survive there what happened to the instinct ?????
If evolution were true, why would the inquiring minds of early humans, (whose brains had developed logic enough to write and create tools) create an imaginary God to teach and guide them?
its because your initial claim is a little off
We seek to learn and know things.
we do not like not knowing things and if we see something we do not understand our imagination runs wild and we fill the not knowing with a form of understanding lightning is caused by zeus who is throwing his lightnings around because we dint offer him a good enough calf today.
An imaginary God could not be seen or heard, nor could it help man at all to be anything more than animal-like.
tough the imaginary god would fill the void of not knowing
A fresh, inquiring, new species that realizes that it is unsure of things would not "invent" a God to instruct it.
Well they kinda did and not one but thousands of different gods. Why because we do not like not knowing so sometimes we invent things from our imagination. It happens all the time as a child you donot understand that darkness is just the abbsance of light so you fear the dark and invent monsters that are hiding in it.
Children leave their endless stream of questions to real humans, not their imaginary friends.
and yet they have imaginary friends who in some cases tell them what to do like steal a cookie from the cookie jar
Really if evolution and materialistic forces truly created man from beast, then should there even be any mention of God ever in history?
You keep talking about your one god what abbout the other 100 000 gods out there those where imagined right ???
What is the real reason for God being connected to human society?
They wanted to fill the void of not knowing
Because humanity did not create God
Orly so the hindus dint invent vishna shiva rammma, the norse dint einvent thor, odin ..... the slavs dint invent perun, morana, vesna, morana .... THEYR ALL REALL???? omg i should start praying to perun right away i think he likes wine spilling a bit from the cup is the usual means of sacirifice to him
Ideas of God have been handed down from fact, not fiction, and records or Him have been preserved down till our day via writing.
not only that we also have evidence of other gods before writing we should build temples to those old gods you know the ones that date before your god
God is fundamental to humanity's existence.
Well i dont believe in god and most of my friends dont and we still havent died been struck by lightning ....... so my guess is THEY are not so fundamental

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frako
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Message 75 of 190 (604934)
02-16-2011 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Buzsaw
02-16-2011 8:08 AM


Re: Animal & Human Knowledge Gap
OK, science guy. Fair enough. So produce your evidence that humans didn't have dominion over dinos.
Ok how about the fact that there are no human fossils in the period where dinosaurs roamed the earth and that there are no dinosaur fossils from the period that humans started to walk on the earth?

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frako
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Message 101 of 190 (605077)
02-16-2011 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Buzsaw
02-16-2011 8:09 PM


Re: Lo And Behold The Legends
Using your logic
Troy has been found this is clear evidence of the Cyclops Poseidon and all the Greek gods and everything else in the odyssey.
The places mentioned in the tales of Hercules have been found this is clear evidence that Hercules existed and was the sone of the God Zeus
Mount Peca exist this is clear evidence that the sloveinan king Matja is sleeping under it with his army until his beard is long enough to encircle his table 7 times.
Of course you will find evidence of SOME places and SOME people just not evidence of miracle floods and all the other gobely gook that does not adhere to reason and natural laws CAUSE ITS ONLY A MADE UP STORY.

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frako
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Message 131 of 190 (605232)
02-17-2011 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Buzsaw
02-17-2011 6:42 PM


Re: Speaking Of Myth
evidence for the Biblical myth
evidence of a genetic bottleneck of all species 4000 years ago -none
Evidence OF A SIGLE WOLDWIDE FLOOD 4000 years ago - none (evidence of lots of floods, at different times, sealevels rising.... yes just not 4000 years ago )
Evidence of sedimentery deposits in my back yard that would roughly date 4000 years ago -none i cheked while i was building my sawmmil had to dig preatty deap for the foundations.
Could noas ark float - NO it would leak like hell
Could noa fead the animals - NO no room for watter and food let alone the animals
........
the evolutionist myth/fact
Evidence of speciation lots of evidence of speciation achived in experiments or in nature
Evidence of genetic mutation lots
Evidence of benifitial genetic mutation lots
evidence that the earth is much older lots
evidence that the universe is fare more older then the earth lots
.......
Contradicting evidence NONE
was god needed NO, did god play a role possible but seriusly doubt it, seriusly doubt there is one too. I give it the same chance as the probability of 5 different terrotrist groups trying to hijack the same plane unoware of eachothers plans and during the hijacking convert to worsheping Vishnu and a few moments later the whole plane gets abducted by aliens.
So whats the MYTH ?
Back on topic if you chek the whole site you will also see the continents moving yes they move really really slow to slow for your time scale, and yes land rises and falls also to slow for your timescale, sealevels also rise and fall not enough water for your flood but hey who cares about that, they also rise and fall to slow for your timescale but hay who cares right. But dang thats not in the bible so all this evidence is worthless

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frako
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Message 148 of 190 (605420)
02-19-2011 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by goldrush
02-18-2011 7:05 PM


Re: Accurate knowledge?
Until we know enough about genes and life to produce even a single cell, I wouldn't consider our current understanding of DNA as solid proof.
'Artificial life' breakthrough announced by scientists - BBC News
Well we did so now do you consider the DNA evidence as proof.

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frako
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Message 159 of 190 (605546)
02-20-2011 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by goldrush
02-20-2011 6:13 PM


Re: Accurate knowledge?
Re: Accurate knowledge?
I've actually read this before. Sorry, artificial life is not the same as the real thing.
So wait first you say you dont except dna evidence because scientist dont know enough about dna to make a living cell and when they make a living cell you say its not enough. Why whats wrong with that cell its man made and its alive.

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frako
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Message 172 of 190 (606748)
02-28-2011 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by goldrush
02-27-2011 9:37 PM


Re: Accurate knowledge?
It's cool, but it doesn't imply that we can create a cell
The first artificial cell was created by Thomas Chang at McGill University. An artificial cell wall/cell membrane is made of polymersomes. The hemoglobin is placed in the center. In the late sixties Thomas Chang discovered that artificial cells could carry enzymes which could correct certain metabolic disorders, and he also developed an artificial cell filled with charcoal which could treat drug poisoning.
Artificial cell - Wikipedia
so as you can see we can make cells we call them artificial because they are man made and are not natural.
or chromosome
Yeast artificial chromosomes and bacterial artificial chromosomes were created before human artificial chromosomes, which first appeared in 1997. They are useful in expression studies as gene transfer vectors and are a tool for elucidating human chromosome function. Grown in HT1080 cells, they are mitotically and cytogenetically stable for up to six months.
Human artificial chromosome - Wikipedia
oh gosh who knew we can make artificial chromosomes they are artificial because they are man made and not natural. The only diference is this, the chemistry is the SAME.
or DNA from scratch
When DNA is organized into long structures we call them chromosomes.
so if we can make chromosomes we can make frigging DNA.
not only that we went a step further and made DNA-like molecules
Specifically, the team showed that an artificially created DNA-like molecule containing six gene-building nucleotides - instead of the four found in natural DNA - could support the molecular "photocopying" operation known as polymerase chain reaction.
Evolving Artificial DNA
Yea we went one better then your "god" and added 2 more gen building nucleotides.
and when you add all this knowlage up you can make a man made artificial cell <------- needed
The same difference between an artificial limb and a natural one.
No its the same difference as your hand being sown off then a new flesh and bone hand is grown in a jar and sown back on being TOTALLY identical to the hand you previously had in every aspect except that this one was fully man made.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 181 of 190 (607114)
03-02-2011 6:01 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by goldrush
03-01-2011 10:22 PM


Re: Accurate knowledge?
The scientists "decoded" the chromosome of an existing bacterial cell - using a computer to read each of the letters of genetic code.
They copied this code and chemically constructed a new synthetic chromosome, piecing together blocks of DNA.
The team inserted this chromosome into a bacterial cell which replicated itself. Synthetic bacteria might be used to make new fuels and drugs.
Try reading the second part of this quote note the words "constructed a new synthetic chromosome"
and yes in this case they did not use a purely man made cell tough we have been making those for 6 years.

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frako
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Message 189 of 190 (607232)
03-02-2011 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by goldrush
03-02-2011 10:15 AM


Re: Accurate knowledge?
what fearandloathing said, or you can look at the links and quotes i provided a while back tough you dont read my quotes so i doubt you look at the links.

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