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Topic: Potential falsifications of the theory of evolution
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 574 of 968 (601702)
01-23-2011 9:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 568 by barbara
01-22-2011 11:36 PM
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Re: increased mutation rate is not directed mutation
Ever own an 8Ball?
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 580 of 968 (601746)
01-23-2011 8:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 579 by shadow71
01-23-2011 8:45 PM
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Re: Fine tuning
Even if there was some creation events (which is pretty much what everyone thinks) it still adds no support for a god, God or GOD.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 583 of 968 (601749)
01-23-2011 9:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 582 by shadow71
01-23-2011 9:09 PM
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Re: Fine tuning
Well then we would have to find out what was behind the creation event. So far EVERY cause we have EVER found for ANYTHING has been natural. If it is supernatural, then it is not natural then it is not something that we can even study.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 597 of 968 (601966)
01-25-2011 11:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 596 by shadow71
01-25-2011 11:21 AM
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Re: Fine tuning
Too funny. Of course I can. Most are simply errors.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 699 of 968 (602559)
01-28-2011 7:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 698 by shadow71
01-28-2011 7:35 PM
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Re: RM & NS
We don't have to be in your shoes, we can look at the whole spectrum of what scientists say and see Shapiro in context.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 884 of 968 (604770)
02-14-2011 7:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 882 by shadow71
02-14-2011 7:29 PM
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Re: Simplified Explanation of Shapiro's Views
shadow71 writes: taq writes;
Non-random with respect to what? All Shapiro showed is that mutations are non-random with respect to time and genomic features. He never demonstrated that mutations are non-random with respect to fitness. My question is has it been demonstrated by experments that all mutations are random with respect to fitness? If so would you please cite me to paper so I can read and understand the proces or logic behind the statement that all mutations are random with respect to fitness. That doesn't even make any sense that I can see. Fitness is determined after the fact. It is totally unrelated to the mutation side.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Ray Comfort takes Shapiro out of context too
The point is that Intelligent Design has NEVER been able to show any evidence that there is design or any model of how some imagined designer can intervene. There is nothing in any of Shapiro's works that support Intelligent Design and making claims that it does is simply dishonest misrepresentation.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 921 of 968 (605008)
02-16-2011 2:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 920 by shadow71
02-16-2011 2:18 PM
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Re: Simplified Explanation of Shapiro's Views
shadow71 writes: Jar writes;
That doesn't even make any sense that I can see. Fitness is determined after the fact. It is totally unrelated to the mutation side. My question is: May the mutations be non-random and in fact deterministic in regards to fitness? How? Fitness is determined after the fact.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 934 of 968 (605045)
02-16-2011 4:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 927 by shadow71
02-16-2011 3:00 PM
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Re: Simplified Explanation of Shapiro's Views
shadow71 writes: Jar writes;
How? Fitness is determined after the fact. That is the understanding of science, my question goes to the possibility as to whether fitness is in fact determined by the non-random mutation itself. Thereby questioning when in fact fitness is determined. No, that is NOT the understanding of science, it is the reality. Fitness is whether or not something lives long enough to reproduce. It is totally and completely separate, disconnected from and unrelated to any mutations.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 940 of 968 (605053)
02-16-2011 4:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 935 by shadow71
02-16-2011 4:19 PM
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More slow steps.
shadow71 writes: DBlevins writes;
Are you are suggesting that the mutation that allowed a strain of bacteria to be able to digest nylon was directed by some agency that had the foreknowledge of the discovery of nylon? That ability may have been given to the bacteria as part of its makeup. Is there something aboult nylon that makes it unique? Let's try a whole different path and see if it helps you. Do you understand that when folk talk about mutations in evolutionary biology they are talking about changes passed on during reproduction. With me so far?
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 946 of 968 (605070)
02-16-2011 7:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 945 by shadow71
02-16-2011 7:41 PM
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Re: More slow steps.
shadow71 writes: jar writes;
Do you understand that when folk talk about mutations in evolutionary biology they are talking about changes passed on during reproduction. With me so far? Yes. Okay. So we are talking about mutations in the "parent" of the offspring (in the case of sexual reproducing critters) or the critter itself before before it splits in asexual critters. Still with me?
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 966 of 968 (605310)
02-18-2011 1:04 PM
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Summary
So far no signs have ever been found for planning or direction has ever been found when examining either living or non-living natural components of this universe.
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