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Buzsaw
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Message 114 of 126 (605449)
02-19-2011 7:29 PM


Note that way back in 2003 when I posted the OP I cited Vatican City as Mystery Babylon. Long before this I have been predicting, on the basis of this prophecy, that Vatican City will be nuked and burned up in one hour.

Much has emerged among the nations relating to fulfillment of this prophecy since I first began making this prediction.

History attests to the fact that since the 7th century when Islam began to grow, Roman Catholicism and Islam have pretty much kept one another at bay so as for neither to prevail in their attempt to impose their respective religions upon all nations.

Then the Protestant Revolution added a third faction, further reducing the ability of world conquest by religions which aspired to dominate via violence.

Lo and behold, Islam emerges as the end time religion most likely to fulfill the Revelation 18 prediction, strongly implying that Mystery Babylon, i.e. Vatican City will be destroyed in one hour via a nuclear device.

The only other possibility of fulfillment of this prophecy would be a volcanic eruption similar to that which destroyed Pompey.

Mohammed, who wrote the Qur'an and his successor disciples, who wrote the Haddith and the Sunnahs advocated that, by the sword, Islam would prevail to be the one and only religion for all nations. Since 2003, when I made this prediction, we are all aware of the fact that rogue despotic nations have either emerged or are emerging into nuclear capability.

Revelation 13 corroborates that the Mystery Babylon prophecy relates to observed phenomena happening in our time. Relation 13, along with 17 and 18 prophesy the following corroborating phenomena, never before though possible previous to our time.


    1. One world marks and numbers monetary systems replacing gold and silver.

    2. A speaking image, visible by all nations requiring worship by all nations, tribes and tongues. (Islam's prayer mandates)

    3. The beast, i.e. global government making war with Christianity. ( This is ongoing in many nations. This persecution relates to all forms of professing Christianity, including RCC Vatican adherents. Thus the beast persecutes and burns Mystery Babylon in chapter 17.

    4. The ability of all nations to view events in one location.

Other end time prophecies, such as Ezekiel, Daniel, Joel, and Zechariah, etc relating to the restoration of Israel and the armies of the nations moving into the Mid East, all corroborate the reliability of Biblical prophecy being fulfilled.

Prophecies of Israel's restoration in Ezekiel 35-39 cite the nations which will oppose Israel in the end time restoration of their nation. These are in place, being the prominent nations in the news today.

Bottom line: Much has, indeed, emerged in the last decade, relating to the likely demise of Mystery Babylon and global domination by Islamic entities who have collaborated consistently with Russia and Communism against Israel and all forms of Christianity.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 118 of 126 (605645)
02-21-2011 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by jar
02-19-2011 6:55 PM


Re: DC Fails On All Counts.
jar writes:

Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

See Message 103.

Washington, DC is the city that most closely matches the prophecy.

These two messages are bare one line assertions. You need to show how Washington DC meets each criteria on the list.

Well, let's look at your examples based on quote mining.

Buz writes:

l. Sits on "many waters" (verse 1) which are interpreted in verse 15
as peoples, nations and tongues. So this city owns property all over the planet.

The US Government owns property all over the world.

Please cite how Washington owns real estate in all nations, as is the case with Vatican City/The RCC.

quote:
The Catholic Church has numerous assets, including a vast amount of real estate. It owns more land globally than any other organization on the planet,

jar writes:

Buz writes:

2. Verse 2.....has had illicit dealings with the kings of the earth, indicative of being known for involvement around the earth with a lot of political activity.

the US government has a tradition of illicit dealings with foreign governments like the Iran Contra deals and the overthrow of democratically elected leaders and support of terrorists.

By and large, the US government has had legitimate protocol diplomatic relations with the nations of the world. Not so when the religious popes and bishops of Vatican City once essentially ruled the prominent European nations of the Middle/Medieval Ages.

jar writes:

Buz writes:

3. Verse 4....Some prominent colors visible around the city and her foreign properties are red, purple and gold as well as lavish and expensive things like precious stones, etc. In other words, known for a lot of fancy stuff and glitter.

US Embassies are known for their lavish furnishings. The US is known for style over substance and lack of taste.

Gong! Your response is a non-sequitur, having nothing to do with the prominent colors and extent of lavish furnishings observed in Vatican City. What US diplomat sits on a golden throne, embellished with precious stones? What diplomats wear scarlet robes as the Cardinals of Vatican City do? What assemblies in the embassies have purple drapes bordered with gold trim, etc?

jar writes:

Buz writes:

4. verse 6....Involved with some nasty stuff like causing the death of Christians to the extent of being "drunken" with their blood.

The US has a history of very nasty stuff, overthrowing governments, causing the deaths of believers and non-believers alike, like vetoing the condemnation of Israel building settlements in Palestine.

Another non-sequitur. Traditionally, the US has engaged in wars for the purpose of freedom of our own citizens and those of other nations.

Wars have been with the nations throughout recorded history, most of which involve loss of innocent lives.

OTO, religious Vatican City, like Islam has a history of holocaust perpetrated upon evangelical Christians.

jar writes:

Buz writes:

5. verse 3......Sits upon a descriptive metaphoric "beast" whose 7 heads are seven hills/mountains/geological locations and whose 10 horns are ten kings/kingdoms.
Note here that she sits among the nations so imo, one must assume that these "hills" are also global. The only global "hill"/high places I know of that are global are the continents of the planet. There is only one city on the face of the earth which actually owns vast real estate on the earth's continents.

The US Government owns vast real estate on all of the continents.

Again, how many and which nations does our government actually own real estate, globally, to the extent that Vatican City/RCC does?

jar writes:

Buz writes:

6. verse 16....The ten beast kings shall come to hate the city and shall persecute her and eventually cause her destruction. (This rules out the beast as being one and the same as the city (as some responders in this thread have determined.

There are many people that would like to destroy Washington, DC.

Mmm, perhaps in the past, more so than now, being that our Obama regime has thrown Israel and other allies under the bus and cow-towed to Islamic entities.

jar writes:

Buz writes:

7. verse 18.....The city has at some time or other been known to actually have exercised ruling power over the kings of the earth.

The US has held ruling power over many nations.

Not so, to the extent of the Middle Ages. The WWII nations of Europe and others like the Pacific Isles and Japan have been liberated, unlike the intents of Vatican City in medieval times.

jar writes:

Buz writes:

8. Chapter 18, verses 11-13: She is involved in all kinds of commercial things, fine things and even in the souls of men, indicative of a religious element.

The US government is involved in all kinds of commercial things and certainly tries to deal in the souls of men, witness the National Day of Prayer and the religious motto on currency and inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance.

By and large the US has been the bastion for religious freedom as per the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Vatican City's history has been just the opposite.

jar writes:

There is little doubt that both Babylon and the Great Satan are the US symbolized by it's capital city, Washington, DC.

GONG, on all counts. Nice try. Nothing, whatsoever, comes close to Vatican City, as described in the great prophecy of Mystery Babylon, corroborated by so much other which we are observing on the global scene.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 120 of 126 (605651)
02-21-2011 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Dr Adequate
02-19-2011 7:58 PM


Looking For Adequate Falsification Here
Dr Adequate writes:

Note that way back in 2003 when I posted the OP I cited Vatican City as Mystery Babylon. Long before this I have been predicting, on the basis of this prophecy, that Vatican City will be nuked and burned up in one hour.

Much has emerged among the nations relating to fulfillment of this prophecy ...

Apart, of course, from the prophecy being fulfilled in any way whatsoever.

How about you doing the good EvC work of falsifying my stuff, adequately, point by point, Dr Adequate?


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 121 of 126 (605654)
02-21-2011 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by New Cat's Eye
02-21-2011 11:44 AM


Re: Nearly All Nations Occupy Embassies
Catholic Scientist writes:

Please cite how Washington owns real estate in all nations, as is the case with Vatican City/The RCC.

Embassies.

There is nothing illegitimate about diplomatic embassies. Nearly all nations have them, which renders your point a non-sequitur.

Btw, who actually owns the real estate of embassies? Does the US, for example, legitimately own the embassy which we once occupied in Iran and such abandoned properties in other nations?


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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