Your EvC Debate Dream Team - Fantasy Debating

That's about right. The Internet is full of websites touting evidence of ghosts and alien abductions and Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster and remote viewing and on and on. Your evidence is of the same type, i.e., worthless.Instead of trying to convince everyone, "Hey, no need for more evidence, we already have all the evidence we need to prove the supernatural," which is ludicrous, you should instead seek real evidence.Sometimes we're lucky and a single piece of evidence is all we need to prove something. We drop an object in a vacuum at sea level while taking pictures with a strobe light, and that's all we need to prove the exact value for the acceleration of gravity at sea level. Would that everything were that easy (and even this isn't that easy - gravity even at a constant height is slightly variable across the Earth's surface).So you want to prove the global flood, and if there really had been a global flood then fossil sea shells on mountain tops might be from the flood, but it could be due to something else.So you want to prove the Exodus, and if there really had been an Exodus then a circular coral formation could be a chariot wheel, but it could be a lot of other things, too.And on and on.--Percy

Sure they have real life physical evidence, just like you. Better than you, in fact. They have photos, movies even, of Bigfoot, alien spacecraft, Nessie and ghosts. They have tufts of Bigfoots hair, metal from the spacecraft, Nessie coprolites, and sances where ghosts make actual personal appearances. Everyone here understands this, Buz, and knows precisely how I intended the word "prove". It is only when someone says, "You can't prove (whatever)," that you know someone is misunderstanding how the word "prove" is meant in science. You mean there were no other creationists who agreed with you and argued your position with you? You mean (gasp!) that creationists aren't team players? Geez, what a novel thought! You never. The definition of debunked is not, "I typed a bunch of fallacies, rationalizations and complaints about unfair treatment into a text box." You are seriously delusional, not to mention paranoid.The point of my previous post is that it is rare for a single piece of evidence to prove anything. If it were that simple then mankind would have figured out evolution long before Darwin, but it took massive amounts of evidence and thought. You can't look at a circular coral formation and conclude "Exodus!" With so little you're not even up to the first rung on the ladder of confidence for evidence. That you don't understand this, don't even seem to comprehend the volume of shenanigans committed in the name of religion, never learn anything from the sheer number of times they've found things like Noah's Ark, means you are doomed to be convinced by any claims sympathetic to your religious beliefs, no matter how impoverished.If your so-called evidence were so persuasive then you'd have found some converts out there, but you haven't. Your evidence is so weak you can't even convince your own kind, let alone anyone familiar with science and scientific methodologies. Evidence is evidence, Buz, go find some. The rules are the same for everyone, stop moaning and groaning because your evidence doesn't measure up.--Percy

You are seriously delusional.--Percy

God, Buz, where does it end with you? How many times were you informed at the Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen? thread, where, by the way, we're still waiting for your evidence, that Mller is a "bonafide esteemed credentialed marine research scientist." He is, according to his webpage at Wikipedia, "a professor of environmental medicine at the Karolinska Institute." He's in the Department of Biosciences and Nutrition. This is from his biography page at Karolinska Institutet: Do you see anything in there, anything at all, about marine biology? Now go to Google Scholar and search for "Lennart Mller". Do you see any papers on marine biology? Any at all?Yet wait a week (probably less) and there you'll be again claiming that Lennart Mller is a "bonafide esteemed credentialed marine research scientist."The reason you're seriously delusional is because you've been presented all the information about Mller's credentials, about religious flim-flam, about Bigfoot and alien abductions having as good evidence as the Exodus, about how more than just single pieces of unrelated evidence are required, and you just ignore it all and go blithely on as if none of this information existed. You believe what you want to believe regardless of the reality, and you don't seem to care how stupid you sound, as if being an idiot before the world were just one more cross for "poor ole buz" to carry.By the way, "LYSEMAUCHUS" actually spells his name "Lysimachus". His email's public, send him an email if you want his help here.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Additional info about Lysimachus.Edited by Percy, : Remove extraneous and very misleading "not".

Yeah, I know. I'm hoping it'll slip through because this is Coffee House and because Buz is really outdoing himself.--Percy

Even Lynn Margulis, who rejects neo-Darwinian evolution and natural selection as a driving force in evolution in favor of an emphasis on symbiosis and who is easily the most famous evolutionary dissenter in science, would, if she were here, make almost all the same arguments we are. She's even debated Michael Behe. On the vast majority of issues relevant to the creation/evolution debate, Margulis is right with all the other scientists.What you're describing is not reality. If we were really feeding you a false and restrictive definition of evolution when instead scientists actually held a wide variety of conflicting views, then that would be reflected here. We're only having this discussion because of the glaring behavioral differences that we see displayed here each and every day, where evolutionists hang together while creationists hang themselves separately.--Percy