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Huntard
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Message 259 of 357 (606043)
02-23-2011 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by John 10:10
02-23-2011 2:16 PM


Re: A "just right" universe is our universe.
John 10:10 writes:
The earth is in the "just right" eliptical orbit around the sun that enables us to have seasons. If placed in an larger or smaller eliptical orbit, the seasons would be either too hot or too cold.
The elliptical orbit has nothing to do with the seasons. It's the Earth's axial tilt that causes the seasons. It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about.
Where else in the Solar System could there be life?
Perhaps Europa? And why limit it to just our solar system?
There are estimates that planets at distances between 0.84 and 1.7 AU could sustain life. That range includes the Earth (1.0 AU) and Mars (1.5 AU) but not Venus (0.7 AU). Venus today has such a giant greenhouse effect that its surface temperature is 470 degrees Centigrade - a bit on the high side for life. Mars is now very cold (on average -48 degrees Centigrade) but there has been flowing water on it in the past. Unless you think you can live reasonably in +470 C or - 48 C temperatures, the earth seems to be "just right" for most of the earth's inhabitants.
Actually, I'm pretty sure -48 C isn't that much of a problem for life. Also, you weren't talking about life in general, you were talking about us (Homo Sapiens, like your later paragraphs imply). But it's nice of you to admit god made Earth for bacteria.
The earth has enough "just right" ingredients necessary for man's existance...
But most of it isn't just right and will kill man outright.
then God gives us wisdom to know the difference between the good ingredients and the bad ones.
No, we took that wisdom for ourselves.
(Some seem to love the bad ingredients more than the good ones, to their own destruction.)
Then following your earlier (faulty) assertion, god wasn't so good at providing the wisdom, now was he?
The 0.001% was Catholic Scientist's math number, not mine. As I said, my % would have been much much higher.
Then he was closer to the mark than you would have been. Because the percentage is actually lower.

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Huntard
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Message 267 of 357 (606078)
02-23-2011 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by John 10:10
02-23-2011 3:27 PM


Re: A "just right" universe is our universe.
John 10:10 writes:
I don't know where you learned science, but both orbit around the sun and tilt combined produce the earth's seasons.
I learned it from the internet (mostly this site), which apparently you didn't. Because no, the orbit doesn't come into play at all.
As for living in -48 C, maybe you should try living there on a permanent basis.
But you didn't specify humans, you said life. And if I recall correctly, there are bacteria that can live at -48 C. Don't hange the goalposts now.
God's wisdom is knowing the difference between what is necessary and what is not with the ingredients He has provided.
And since we don't know that, or if we do, seem to disagree on what the "necessary" entails, your god failed.
Since you think you have better wisdom than God's, all the best in using it.
Thank you, I will.
As for %s, you got me. I meant greater in the smaller direction.
"Greater in the smaller direction"? What does that even mean. Well, ok, you admitted you were wrong. Thank you.

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Huntard
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Message 268 of 357 (606081)
02-23-2011 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by frako
02-23-2011 4:05 PM


Re: A "just right" universe is our universe.
frako writes:
Sure tough Erth is more JUST right for FISH then man 70% of the world surface is watter guess he loves fish more then man.
And it's even more right for bacteria, which are found literally everywhere.

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Huntard
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Message 271 of 357 (606091)
02-23-2011 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by NoNukes
02-23-2011 6:17 PM


Re: A "just right" universe is our universe.
NoNukes writes:
The earth's motion in its orbit does produce the seasons. The earth's axis does not change direction on a yearly basis. Instead we have winter in the northern hemisphere when the earth is in a certain portion of its orbit.
The earth's orbit is nearly circular, and the earh's eccentricity plays essentially no role in determining the seasons. As has been pointed out the earth is at perihelion in early January.
Well, yes, but bear with me here. If the Earth were to sit perfectly still and not orbit the sun, then still we would have seasons. Granted, it would take 27.000 of our current years (since, obviously, there wouldn't be any years any more) to complete 1 cycle, but in those 27.000 years there would be winter, spring, summer and autumn, yes? Hence my comment.
Sigh. Of course that negates the actual point John 10:10 tried to make.
Ah yes, that as well.

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Huntard
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Message 280 of 357 (606378)
02-25-2011 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 278 by Percy
02-25-2011 6:00 AM


Re: Both orbit around the sun and tilt combined produce the earth's seasons
Percy writes:
Not only was your original claim that the Earth's tilt produces the seasons incorrect...
I think you mean his initial claim that the Erth's orbit produces the seasons. Because first of all he never made the claim that it was the Earth's tilt and second, the claim that the Earth's tilt produces the seasons is, of course, quite correct.

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Huntard
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Message 310 of 357 (607124)
03-02-2011 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 306 by John 10:10
03-01-2011 9:55 PM


Re: We live in a Tailor-made universe
John 10:10 writes:
Yes, I said "The earth is in the just right eliptical orbit around the sun that enables us to have seasons. Did you and others miss the word "enables?" Show us how the earth would have seasons if it did not orbit (eliptical or not) around a just right sun at a just right distance?
Because tilt is the reason for the season. Even if the Earth did not orbit the sun, but would remain at exactly the same place in regard to it, the tilt would still produce seasons. It would take 27.000 of our current years for a cycle of spring, summer, fall and winter to complete (because of the wobble in Earth's axis), but there would be seasons.
Edited by Huntard, : No reason given.

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