A Living Earth

Ok.Nucleotides and cirrus clouds keep popping up, so lets start there. What kind of evidence do you have for the processes you are describing?------------------
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truthlover asked:"Do nucleotides really come down in rain? It rains RNA?"Couple of background points. According to Carl Sagan's essay on an ever lumenous sun, if you are speaking of larger timescales--on order of billions of years, the sun was LESS lumenous than it is now when early life first came into being. About 25 percent less 4 billion years ago. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the planet was cooler and drier as an initial state. That would be good for nucleotides, which would do better under these conditions.What I am saying is that the nucleotides would probably be blown from the surface, much like dust, and on them water would condense, and eventually the water rise to the upper cloud by convective processes and freezes to become cirrus cloud particles. Those particles will MOVE ELECTRO MECHANICALLY between the conductive ionosphere and cloud top, much like nucleotides are moved on a electrophoresis strip--in BANDS. That is because like nucleotides will have like charge. Hence, sorting occurs INDENPENDANT of chemically favor reactions by energy differentials. Complexity then arises as these molecules recombine and then become functional. Functional replication allows more to be blown up into the clouds, and again would find feedbacks that would favor their formation or not.Also, it was written:"And if so, to repeat myself, are you saying that RNA used to come down in rain, way back in the Pre-Cambrian period, or that it still happens now."Stolamites dating back over 3 billion years fix the first impressions of cellular life. So what I am speaking to began before then. Here is the problem. Lifeless chemistry diffuses, and in a huge ocean, for instance, quickly becomes well mixed. That is significant because ELECTRICALLY everything is the same. OTOH, LIFE contains chemistries. Orders them. Therefore life itself is electrically signifant. Cellular life, in particular to the ocean, would be more significant in sum to conductivity whereas cellular life may be too large to have as much an impact on cirrus. Algae has been found in EPAC tropical storm cirrus as far as the four corner states--so that may be why there are no 2, three, or four celled creatures--as they became too large to have any electrical impact on cirrus. Pollen and spores OTOH can have an electrical impact on cloud nucliation, but that's about it.Anyway, once things became cellular, free nucleotides probably had great difficulting competing. Especially if there were hybreds that were massively replicated, that had male like size and then were connected symbiotically to something that would have an impact on surface conductivities, unlike what just a creature which was nucleotide based only. The ability of a cell to contain chemistry would allow it to explosively reproduce and still have the Gaia ability to modulate conductivities and hence modulate climate feedbacks. But before the cell, nucleotides faced much less that would destroy them, even over longer time periods, and a slow, effective, sorting and increase in complexity could have and did occur.

What kind of evidence do you seak?Of clouds behaviors?The existing symbiotic relationships?Be specific if you are not going to read what I have already written and you like the short answer.IOWs, don't ask the general question when above there is already a general answer.

The present impact on the moon's gravity wave is very significant forcing on climate. The local gravity wave stirs the oceans and impacts momentary conductivities because the stirred oceans release gas and the gas exchanges (CO2 to carbonic acid and back) that put relatively more free electrons in the to the surface, which then reduces impedance to large scale low frequency electrical pulses. Tropical storm Bill this year followed a gravity wave, for instance. The stirring also brings up colder waters, and salt water, the colder it gets, the more resistance it offers to electrical currents. Also, upwelling brings nutrients that biological activity takes advantage of, so there is cummulation of chemistries biologically and then increases in conductivity. So the moon
now produces a momentary stirring and increase in conductivity, and
upwelling caused cooling adn decrease in conductivity, and then finally a
biologically based increase in conductivity.I bring all this up because in the context of early, pre cellular Gaia
and nucleotide sorting by cirrus, the moon would also be an important
player in the early evolution of life. That is because the conductivity
below cloud formations impacts the charge cummulations on the cloud tops
and ionosphere further up, and therefore would impact the forcing by a
particular nucleotide sequence. IOWs the feedback that brought to cloud
behaviors the most heat retention by the cirrus clouds, which contain the
nucleotide ions seeded in them, will meet a varying electrically
condition DEPENDING ON THE MOON and its gravity waves. And this was no
modern day gravity wave. The moon 4 billion years ago was actually much
closer to the earth than it is now, such that not only were tides 50 feet
high or more, but the local impact, the local stirring, if you will,
would have been that much more intense.This would have allowed the nucleotides to survive as a whole, then, with
a certained ordered diversity of charges, which would depend on the area,
the convection related heat that area would get, how much water there was
to be impacted by the moon, and so forth. The result was that early
nucleotide sequences were varied and complex to meet the changing earth
electrical condition.

Another interesting feature of the ships turn screws bringing air bubbles to the surface is that this will bring bio material to the surface in a pattern. Anyone who has had marine fish aquariums would be familiar with the "protein" skimmers, which use tiny air bubbles to bring proteins to the surface where a foam like scum forms, and then runs off the device. Protein like this, again, in conduction with the marine water, how it would warm and so forth, makes for a conductive pathway for large scale currents that then move along the ocean surface. But the stirring itself is electrically significant, the biosphere has evolved to amplify this feature, just like it amplifies moon gravity waves.

Japan Times: 3 Nov 2003 [edited]Herpes virus kills 860 tons of carp
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About 860 tons of cultured carp have died since October in 2 lakes in Ibaraki Prefecture from herpesvirus in the first such incident in Japan, the prefectural government said on Sunday.The carp began to die in early October 2003, and the number of deaths jumped in the middle of the month, according to prefectural officials. The virus has been detected in samples taken from the dead carp. The prefecture has not been able to locate the route of infection. The damage from the deaths of some 660 tons of carp in Lake Kasumigaura and another 200 tons in Lake Kitaura is estimated at 150 million yen about USD 1 365 000, they said.The virus cannot be transmitted to humans, and consumption of infected carp would not have any ill effects, the officials said. The virus was first detected in 1997 in Israel and has been found in Belgium, Britain, Germany, Indonesia, the Netherlands, Taiwan, and the United States. In an attempt to prevent infections, Japan has imposed restrictions on carp imports [until?] 14 Jul [2004?].[Koi herpesvirus has been associated with devastating losses of common carp (_Cyprinus carpio carpio_) and Koi (_Cyprinus carpio koi_) in North America, Europe, Israel, and Asia. Koi carp are an ornamental variety of carp propagated originally in ancient Rome and later for their aesthetic appeal in Japan. In rent times they have been spread worldwide by unregulated trade in ornamental fish. The herpesvirus isolated from Koi carp, and currently designated Koi herpesvirus, is distinct from another herpesvirus known as Cyprinid herpesvirus isolated from common carp. Both viruses cause disease and economic loss in both subspecies of carp. The 2 herpesviruses are distinctive, however, in that Koi herpesvirus causes significant economic losses among all ages of both common carp and Koi carp, whereas cyprinid herpesvirus causes losses predominantly among fish less than 2 months old.Virus infections in poikilothermic vertebrates can be greatly influenced by environmental temperatures. O Gilad and colleagues (J Gen Virol 2003; 84(10): 2661-7
[see also:
Koi herpesvirus - worldwide: etiology 20030929.2450
Fish die-off - Bangladesh: RFI 20030422.0983
2002
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Aeromonas hydrophila?, fish - Indonesia (West Java) 20020719.4798
Koi herpesvirus, carp - Indonesia: suspected, OIE 20020630.4639
2001
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Fish die-off - Bangladesh 20010331.0648]
Visit ProMED-mail's web site at .++++++++++++++++Comment:Notice how the virus is temperature dependant--again an indication of Gaia context. Imagine chaotic input causing immune stress, than infection and spred, and a feed back particle accumulation of virus in the air, which impacts cirrus. Again, a complex symbiotic interaction between virus and fish to produce a living earth.{Cleaned up formatting of e-mail or e-mail like transcription. I certainly hope these cleanups are not going to be an ongoing need - PLEASE CLEAN IT UP YOURSELF. - Adminnemooseus[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 11-05-2003]

Mike - My impression is, is that your are starting to inject your Gaia type thoughts into many different topics. This has the very real potential of being highly disruptive.I STRONGLY SUGGEST that you confine the Gaia stuff to a relatively few (maybe even 1?) topic(s).Both the other topics, and your lines of reasoning might best be served by doing this.Any further discussion of what I have just said, should be taken to the "Changes in Moderation?" topic, for which I supply a link, below.Cheers,
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Mike Doran: Couple of background points. According to Carl Sagan's essay on an ever lumenous sun, if you are speaking of larger timescales--on order of billions of years, the sun was LESS lumenous than it is now when early life first came into being. About 25 percent less 4 billion years ago. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the planet was cooler and drier as an initial state. That would be good for nucleotides, which would do better under these conditions.

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/*DNAunion*/ The majority picture has the Earth being hotter 4 billion years ago, or abouts. The sun would not have been the major contributor to surface temperatures here on Earth. The Earth formed by coalescing and those huge impacts generated enormous heat (enough to turn the "pre-Earth" into a molten ball of rock, which the heavier elements then sank down into the center due to their greater density), and the late heavy bombardment is thought to have ended only about 3.8 or 3.9 billion years ago (so the Earth was hot even up to then). Also, the Earth 4 billion years ago, or there abouts, is also thought to have been very active volcano-wise, which is why many scientists now believe the prebiotic atmosphere contained a lot of carbon dioxide (and other volcanic exhalations).[This message has been edited by DNAunion, 11-05-2003]

"The majority picture has the Earth being hotter 4 billion years ago, or abouts."As you come to understand what I am discussing, the patterns of heat exchange at that time was certainly different, and acts to explain the selective pressures on the global living biosphere. More below."The sun would not have been the major contributor to surface temperatures here on Earth."This would not be correct. The sun is the dominate forcing. Surface temperatures proximate to a volcanic event, of course, would be impacted, but understand that in the lifeless scenario, SOx emissions reduce the phase change temperature of cirrus clouds--which is why we have seen so much cooling relative to say a Mt. Pinatubo.Strikes of astroids and so forth would destroy life, independant of temperature--so that it really isn't a modulated item. The basic problem is that even over a volcanic area the magma will quickly cool and cause the creation of an insulative layer between air and magma. Heat RAPIDLY escapes out into space, and, again, the biggest GHG isn't CO2 but WATER. Interestingly, convection from levitated cirrus via nucleotides electrically moved between ionosphere and cloud top would have a duel impact of both heating the air in the context of a less lumenous sun AND providing cooling to the earth surface if indeed there was volcanic activity."The Earth formed by coalescing and those huge impacts generated enormous heat (enough to turn the "pre-Earth" into a molten ball of rock, which the heavier elements then sank down into the center due to their greater density), and the late heavy bombardment is thought to have ended only about 3.8 or 3.9 billion years ago (so the Earth was hot even up to then). Also, the Earth 4 billion years ago, or there abouts, is also thought to have been very active volcano-wise, which is why many scientists now believe the prebiotic atmosphere contained a lot of carbon dioxide (and other volcanic exhalations)."As long as it contained water, there would have been a very huge cooling surface mechanism that was active in terms of fair weather zones allowing the infra red to escape out into space, and low clouds reflecting any heat incoming. But you get to a very interesting point from my perspective about the importance of methane in early earth history, because not only are methane hydrates ELECTRICALLY insulating, they are thermally insulating as well, and will have phase change energies to give between ocean and a volcanically active zone.Thanks for your comments. However, if you think that there has been an unmodulated, chaotic stability in the whole thing (more volcanism making up for a missing sun) you are WAY off. The heat trapped in clouds or not is absolutely huge, ranging from -100 watts per meter squared (low clouds reflecting radiation) to +200 watts per meter squared (high clouds trapping heat). (Hartmann/Fu)

Scotland - Power plants to use sawdust and wastehttp://www.theherald.co.uk/news/3923-print.shtml JAMES FREEMAN, Environment Correspondent November 05 2003THOUSANDS of Scottish households are to get their electricity from dried sewage and sawdust following a decision to switch coal-burning power stations to green fuels.The decision to co-fire the Cockenzie and Longannet plants in the central belt with the alternative energy sources comes as the Scottish Executive announced plans to persuade farmers to grow crops such as willow for fuel. From next year, there will be a new EU subsidy of 45 per hectare per year available for energy crops.Both sewage and sawdust are regarded as non-polluting and carbon-neutral, on the basis that one is a product of human food consumption and the other comes from trees which absorb carbon dioxide during growth.Ross Finnie, environment and rural affairs minister, signalled funding for a study to establish the potential and availability of existing crops and to identify barriers to expansion.The National Farmers Union Scotland agreed that green fuel also could offer a new and vital source of income for farmers, but stated that a lack of processing facilities already was stifling expansion.Jeremy Sainsbury, director of Natural Power Consultants, said what was urgently required was a "kick-start for this market" and suggested that the ScottishPower initiative at Longannet and Cockenzie could be the way forward."If the farmers could see that infrastructure in place they will be encouraged into energy crops," he said.The executive said yesterday it was working to establish how to support manufacturing facilities for the production of biofuels in Scotland.+++++++++++++++++++++++Fish farting may not just be hot airBy Celeste BieverBiologists have linked a mysterious, underwater farting sound to bubbles coming out of a herring's anus. No fish had been known to emit sound from its anus nor to be capable of producing such a high- pitched noise."It sounds just like a high-pitched raspberry," says Ben Wilson of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada (Listen here , .wav file). Wilson and his colleagues cannot be sure why herring make this sound, but initial research suggests that it might explain the puzzle of how shoals keep together after dark."Surprising and interesting" is how aquatic acoustic specialist Dennis Higgs, of the University of Windsor in Ontario, describes the discovery. It is the first case of a fish potentially using high frequency for communication, he believes.Arthur Popper, an aquatic bio-acoustic specialist at the University of Maryland, US, is also intrigued. "I'd not have thought of it, but fish do very strange and diverse things," he saysGrunts and buzzesFish are known to call out to potential mates with low "grunts and buzzes", produced by wobbling a balloon of air called the swim bladder located in the abdomen. The swim bladder inflates and deflates to adjust the fish's buoyancy.The biologists initially assumed that the swim bladder was also producing the high-pitched sound they had detected. But then they noticed that a stream of bubbles expelled from the fish's anus corresponded exactly with the timing of the noise. So a more likely cause was air escaping from the swim bladder through the anus.It was at this point that the team named the noise Fast Repetitive Tick (FRT). But Wilson points that, unlike a human fart, the sounds are probably not caused by digestive gases because the number of sounds does not change when the fish are fed.The researchers also tested whether the fish were farting from fear, perhaps to sound an alarm. But when they exposed fish to a shark scent, there was again no change in the number of FRTs.Night wavesFinally, three observations persuaded the researchers that the FRT is most likely produced for communication. Firstly, when more herring are in a tank, the researchers record more FRTs per fish.Secondly, the herring are only noisy after dark, indicating that the sounds might allow the fish to locate one another when they cannot be seen. Thirdly, the biologists know that herrings can hear sounds of this frequency, while most fish cannot. This would allow them to communicate by FRT without alerting predators to their presence.Wilson emphasises that at present this idea is just a theory. But the discovery is still useful, he says. Herring might be tracked by their FRTs, in the same way that whales and dolphins are monitored by their high-pitched squeals. Fishermen might even exploit this to locate shoals.There may even be a conservation issue. Some experts believe human- generated sounds can damage underwater mammals. Now it seems underwater noise might disrupt fish too.Journal reference: Biology Letters (DOI: 10.1098/rsbl.2003.0107)Comment:Air bubbles much like ship props issue and would bring proteins to surface and impact conductivity and provide a mechanism to cause bio cirrus particle connection+++++++++++++The basic problem is that even over a volcanic area the magma will quickly cool and cause the creation of an insulative layer between air and magma. Heat RAPIDLY escapes out into space, and, again, the biggest GHG isn't CO2 but WATER. Interestingly, convection from levitated cirrus via nucleotides electrically moved between ionosphere and cloud top would have a duel impact of both heating the air in the context of a less lumenous sun AND providing cooling to the earth surface if indeed there was volcanic activity. W/ SOx reducing phase change temps of cirrus (think salt on driveway during winter freezes) the levitated cirrus would go a long way toward surviving the cold imposed by added volcanism.[This message has been edited by Mike Doran, 11-06-2003]

Warming Waters Identified as Cause of Marine Life Depletions off California
November 7, 2003CalCOFI data used to pinpoint mechanism underlying declineIn the mid-1970s, the abundance of marine life along the western coast of the United States began a momentous decline, the start of a trend that today has yet to rebound. Numbers of fish, seabirds, kelp beds, and zooplankton-the critical base of the oceanic food web-plummeted.A recent study led by a scientist at Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California, San Diego, has found warming ocean temperatures as the likely driving force behind the 25-year deterioration.Scripps's John McGowan and his colleagues used data recorded by the California Cooperative Oceanic Fisheries Investigations (CalCOFI) to examine the mechanism behind the changes seen in the California Current, the large current originating in the northern Pacific Ocean that passes along the western coast of North America."We had seen a big change in the California Current ecosystems since the late 1970s, and in this report we looked at the possible mechanisms accounting for that change. We found that the most likely cause is a change in the upper-ocean heat content," said McGowan, who published the results in Deep Sea Research Part II, in a special
edition that focused on the California Current and CalCOFI. The paper was coauthored by Steven Bograd and Ronald Lynn of the National Marine Fisheries Service and Arthur Miller of Scripps.The authors caution that similar forces impacting ecosystem populations could emerge elsewhere, especially if ocean temperatures continue to rise. They say their results demonstrate that significant changes in sea-temperature balances can "greatly alter the marine community ecosystem structure and productivity, sounding the alarm to the potential impacts of a global warming trend." They further note that the ability to distinguish between human-caused and climate-caused changes will be necessary in the future in order to model marine population trends for conservation and management decisions.In coming to their conclusion, McGowan and his coauthors looked at two other possible causes for the ecosystem decline, testing and ultimately showing that those are not likely. McGowan also shows that fishing pressure cannot be blamed solely for the decline. "The massive declines we've seen in fish eggs and larvae population after 1976 cannot be due entirely to fishing pressure because many of the larvae are from species that are simply not harvested, and they too have decreased," said McGowan.Rather, the paper places the spotlight squarely on a "regime shift" to warmer upper-ocean temperatures. This led to a disturbance in the method in which lower, nutrient-rich water mixes with the upper ocean. Essentially, a thickening of the warmer water layer caused the nutrient-rich waters to deepen, disrupting the food supply for
plankton and other sea life in the upper layers."After this regime shift we saw the massive changes take place, not just in plankton but in fish, seabirds, kelp beds, and nearshore invertebrates," said McGowan. "In the larger sense this paper confirms and reaffirms the notion that there are large-scale environmental changes happening on land, lakes, and in our ocean. It's uncertain how long it's going to continue and whether it will increase in velocity or decrease. It's fear of the unknown, but something big is happening. I think an awful lot has to do with global warming and that's going to continue."The conclusions reached in the paper are one example of the value and importance of the CalCOFI program, launched more than 50 years ago to explore the dynamic California Current. Although initially focused on the disappearance of the sardine off the California coast, the data collected by the CalCOFI program-from recordings
such as ocean circulation, temperature, oxygen levels, and salinity to observations of marine life-have become invaluable."There are a lot of principles of interactions that can be derived from this magnificent 50-year data set," said McGowan. "It's been called a 'national treasure' because it's so highly interdisciplinary and so accurate, so trustworthy."Says Bograd: "CalCOFI is the world's longest-running multidisciplinary field program. The accumulation of physical,
chemical, and biological data spanning more than five decades now allows us to explore the dynamics of the California Current and its ecosystems across a range of temporal scales. CalCOFI also has been instrumental in training numerous students and young scientists over the years."McGowan believes the value of CalCOFI will increase in the years ahead as science and government continue to pursue questions of human-produced versus naturally produced changes. He says that since its beginning, the CalCOFI program has focused on distinguishing this separation.The value of CalCOFI surfaced as far back as the 1950s, when a 1958-59 El Nino event was identified as having a profound effect on marine populations. That event was, as McGowan puts it, an "eye-opener" for
future El Nino events.Volume 50 of Deep Sea Research Part II, published this fall, was devoted to CalCOFI and the California Current. Fourteen research papers in the issue highlight various aspects of the California Current, including "CalCOFI: a half century of physical, chemical, and biological research in the California Current System" by Bograd and his colleagues and "Long-term change and stability in the California Current System: Lessons from CalCOFI and other long-term
data sets" by Ginger Rebstock."It seemed fitting to present a sample of research papers from CalCOFI in a special volume, as a celebration of more than 50 years of successful scientific endeavors," said Bograd. "Hopefully it will also reinforce the notion that long-term sampling programs such as CalCOFI are absolutely necessary if we are to understand how marine
ecosystems respond to climate change. As oceanographic sampling programs go, CalCOFI is the crown jewel."Scripps Institution of OceanographyComments:This material is more conductive than lifeless, diffused water. It is part of the trend that has resulted in the 1,400 year drought in the four corners and the fires in the SW. Much of it is hydrology driven, and the rest from CO2 NOT as a green house gas but as an ELECTRICAL forcing, both in terms of gas exchange increasing conductivities overall (and making for more difficulty in the biosphere creating contextually a signal in cloud modulations) but also in terms of acidities and erosion rates, and rates of plant growth.During a warm period of the Eocine, there is evidence of large scale dieoff in the oceans . . .

From Michael Crichton in his introduction to PREY:The notion that the world around us is continuously evolving is a platitude; we rarely grasp its full implications. We do not ordinariliy think, for example, of an epidemic disease changing its character as the empidemic spreads. Nor do we think of evolution in the plants and animals as occurring ina matter of days or weeks, though it does. And we do not ordinarily imagine the green world around us as a scene of constant, sophisticated chemical warfare, with plaints producing pesticides in response to attack and insects developing resistance. But that is what happens, too.If we were to grasp the true nature of nature--if we could comprehend the real meaning of evolution--then we would envision a world in which every living plant, insect, an animal species is changing at every instant, in response to every other living plant, insect, and animal. Whole populations of organisms are rising and falling, shifting and changing. The restless and perpetual changes, as inexorbable and unstoppable as the waves and tides, implies a world in which all human actions necessarily have uncertain effects. The total system that we call the biosphere is so complicated that we cannot know in advance the consequences of anything that we do.That is why even our most enlighted past efforts have had undesriable outcomes--either because we did not understand enough, or because the ever-changing world responded to our actions in unexpected ways. From this standpoint, the history of environmental protection is as discouraging as the history of environmental pollution. Anyone who is willing argue, for example, that the industrial policy of clear-cutting forrests is more damaing than the ecological policy of fire suppression ignores the fact that both policies have been carried out with utter convection, and both hav altered the virgin forest irrevocably. Both provide ample evidence of the obstinate egotims that is the hallmark of human interaction with the environment.Comment:Enter GaiaCrichton early claim to success was a book called THE ANDRAMADA STRAIN, a story of a virus that caused the complete die off of humans. Little did he understand then the ongoing selective pressure of chaotic inputs to climate and early pre-cellular Gaia's meaning--what a virus actually IS. That is, a virus has a specific cirrus cloud heat trapping meaning, by its wieght and electrical charge, and the multi-cellular life below, had a specific electrical/conductivity meaning to the oceans, by which the virus could not modulate, and between these two gaia survives as an ENTITY. Therefore, an Andramada Strain is an impossibility. Crichtons grasp, from the start, was wrong and his fears and nightmares--misplaced.His latest work examines the ecological consequences of nucleotide manipulations, but fails to grasp what is the the ultimate source of what the context of early nucleotides was--a planet without any living chemicals except the self replicating nucleotides in cirrus clouds-and all of that in the context of a less lumenous sun. As the biosphere has evolved as a global entity with much greater complexity than simple nucleotides, the fear of a man made nucleotide ecological disaster is flat wrong. The problem is bigger--it is global.

Hi Mike,Have you ever camped at Lake Siskayou's campground up at Shasta? We've camped there many times and I have photo's of our daughter's first steps with the lake and Mt. Shasta in the background.Anyway, you said in the post that I'm replying to that the majority of the human DNA is Junk variety. I'm not a biologist and don't even pretend to understand much of what you are speaking about, but only because I'm unfamiliar with the terminology. What percentage of the DNA in humans would you say is actually functional and nessessary to copy a human being?Are you also saying that as the "Alpha Being" instruction code was copied and then those copies were subjected to the electrical forces of nature and became modified, as the organisms grew to greater and greater complexity or at least larger in size, the copying mechanism did not delete out the undeed lines of instruction code but just left them there and added new as the envoirment drove the evolution?Finally, if I'm following you, shouldn't the human DNA be a type of "Tree Ring Code" of the past 2-3 billion years of evolution just by looking at the vast majority of unused code left over on our DNA?A funny story - The first time we camped at Shasta I couldn't find a forcast for the tempertures there so I looked at the map and seen how close Redding was so I used that forcast. High of 85 during the day and lows of 65 at night. This the the first week of June as we came down from Olympia for our first camping trip of the season. What I failed to realize was the distance was only 24 miles but the altitude difference was 5000 feet. We frooze our butts off that night and the rest of the trip we slept in the car with the engine running!

More on Crichton:From the back cover:Crichton: "A cloud of nanoparticles--micro-robots . . . This cloud is self sustaining and self-reproducing. It is intelligent and learns from experience. For all practical purposes, it is alive."Crichton, whether he fully understands what he wrote or not, has described the nucleotide modulating forcing on cirrus clouds--how inbetween the conductive ionosphere and conductive oceans heat trapping particles will move or not in an organized manner depending on the weight and charge of the nucleotide parosal.Crichton: "It has been programmed as a preditor. It is evolving swiftly, becomeing more deadly with each passing hour."Wrong. It has a symbiotic relationship with the cellular life below in the oceans, and the role below is to influence conductivities there--influecing how the particles will move most effectively in the field. The goal is to modulate chaotic climate conditions and feedback living temperatures, hydrology and temperatures.More specifically starting on page 72:Crichton: "After working for years with multi-agent systems, you begin to see life in terms of those programs.Basically, you can think fo a multi-agent environment as something like a chessboard, and the agents like chess pieces. The agents interact on the chess board to attain a goal, just the way the chess pieces move to win a game."Okay.Crichton: "The differences is that nobody is moving the agents. They interact on their own to produce the outcome."Wrong. The job of the skyborne nucleotides was to feedback living temperatures and chemistries behind an OVERALL pattern of electrical fields and currents. What moved these "agents" was a combination of chaotic inputs from changes in solar insOlation, lumenosity, season--even cosmic ray flux AND how the biosphere from below modulated these electrical inputs. Successful modulations above and below recombine to reproduce small nucleotides units above and larger, conductivity altering ecology below--to form a living entity that survives.Crichton: "If you design the agents to have memory, they know things about their environment. They remember where they've been on the board, and what happened there. They can go back to certain places, with certain expectations. Eventually, programmers say the agents have beliefs about their environment and that they are acting on those beliefs. It's not literally true, of course, but it might as well be true. It looks that way."For early pre-cellular life, it indeed was literally true. From above, with the cirrus, the heat trapping uniformity came from the nucleotide parasols -- but from below the nucleotides eventually evolved the ability to, by their volume, to influence conductivities below--and the two began to have a relationship that resulted in a global entity that best modulated the chaotic changes that earth has faced over the past four billion years. The memory below was more complex in the sense that cellular life is complex, whereas from above it was, again, just weight and charge. They then rained down back to recombine (the certain place) with the certain expectation that they had fed back the proper temperature and chemistries to survive yet again. However, if chaotic climate inputs changed, nucleotide parosols and conductivity patterns below that did regionally survive would--and the remaining would get blow into places where eventually sun and wind and temperatures/chemistry would destroy them, and not allow them to pass on.Crichton: "But what's interesting is that over time, some agents develop mistaken beliefs. Whether from a motivation conflict, or some other reason, they start acting inappropriately. "No. The nucleotide parasols no longer trap heat and enhance convection and produce surviving chemistries and temperatures below them.Crichton: "The environment has changed but they don't seem to know it. They repeat outmoded patterns. Their behavior no longer reflects the reality of the chesssboard. It's as if they are stuck in the past."Nucleotides are not self aware, but the rest of it is good.Crichton: "In evolutionary programs, those agents get killed off."Or they don't rain down, sorted nicely by parosal weight and charge, to a set of nucleotides that would recombine with them to make more particles to blow back up to the clouds when ambiant winds call. But, the surviving members have to have the ability to evolve back even to what did NOT survive in the sense that there is many solutions over time for the problem of climate modulations to chaotic inputs.Crichton: "They have no children. In other multi-agent programs, they just get bypassed, pushed to the periphery while the main thrust of agents moves on. Some programs have a "grim reaper" module that sifts them out from time to time, and pulls them of the board.But the point is, they're suck in their own past. Sometimes they pull themselves together, and get back on track. Sometimes they don't. "Good stuff. Oh, the subconscious mind. I have heard Crichton on Charlie Rose recently talking about how sometimes in the creative process you are not even aware what you are talking about until well after it has happened. What I wonder is how many people are writing and talking about Gaia this way--and when will it really come into the public's awareness.++++++++++++++++++I did the same thing trying to climb Shasta a few years ago. It was 110 degrees in Redding in early July and I went up to Horse's Camp with a pad and a thin bag. We were forced to camp on the snow to protect the greenery and I indeed did freeze my butt off. It gets down to below freezing at 6,000+ feet at night.++++++++++++You wrote:"Anyway, you said in the post that I'm replying to that the majority of the human DNA is Junk variety. I'm not a biologist and don't even pretend to understand much of what you are speaking about, but only because I'm unfamiliar with the terminology. What percentage of the DNA in humans would you say is actually functional and nessessary to copy a human being?"Your question indicates that you don't understand completely what I am writing. What is called "junk DNA" really is NOT without function. The function is the original spred of weight and charge that the nucleotide parasol would carry to form a strata of heat trapping cirrus. These nucleotides rained down on earth to recombine with life that influenced conductivity, especially on the near shore marine regions, by cummulations of life. So more complex patterns of nucleotides would have "function" in production of cells and orginelles in the cells, whereas with the so called junk DNA it is only significant in terms of mass and charge, and any order will do.You also wrote:"Are you also saying that as the "Alpha Being" instruction code was copied and then those copies were subjected to the electrical forces of nature and became modified, as the organisms grew to greater and greater complexity or at least larger in size, the copying mechanism did not delete out the undeed lines of instruction code but just left them there and added new as the envoirment drove the evolution?"It wouldn't be an alpha being but more an alpha SET. That is, a set of solutions that would produce the right charge and size in the nucleated parasols, for a NUMBER of chaotic inputs into climate conditions, and then a set of conductivity altering conditions for what would have to be larger biological activity below in the marine area. The kinds of patterns that the nucleotides would show from the two different kinds of modulating behaviors show up in the genetics in what is called junk DNA.You wrote:"Finally, if I'm following you, shouldn't the human DNA be a type of "Tree Ring Code" of the past 2-3 billion years of evolution just by looking at the vast majority of unused code left over on our DNA?"Yes. I write and talk about thinks like introns, exons, plasmids, sexual reproduction, autotropism and so forth--given the gaia context. It is a powerful way to understand what the biosphere is and does and was.

The only humans count thinking is flawed in the sense that life itself is a response, over billions of years, to a GLOBAL relationship between chaotic inputs and the biosphere as a whole, and not to each creature individually.Our self awareness CAN be a curse that way--but it has landed us on the moon as well. Interestingly, there may be nuke energy solutions on the moon!