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PaulK
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Message 91 of 95 (60637)
10-12-2003 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by w_fortenberry
10-12-2003 4:37 PM


Re: The 'Lost Tribes'
Well you aren't agreeing with me at all. I don't think that there was anything supernatural in the return of the Jews.
The reason that I beleive that the "Lost Tribes" could only be returned by supernatural intervention is that they were absorbed into other cultures and they simply cannot be identified. That is certainly not the case fo rthe Jews.

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w_fortenberry
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Message 92 of 95 (60640)
10-12-2003 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by PaulK
10-12-2003 6:47 AM


Re: The Real Challenge
The "Prophetic Years" business for instance is an obvious fabrication to try to make the numbers come out "right".
As I said before, I am still researching this myself. I am not convinced of the accuracy of our dating methods. I am seeking to determine what methods have been used to obtain the 445 date for Artaxerxes, what methods have been used for the proposed dates of Christ's death, and what margin of error exists within the data currently available. I am also seeking to discover how long the Jewish year was, how long the Assyrian/Babylonian/Persian year was, and how long the Egyptian year was. Through this research, I am certain that I will find evidence of uncertainty in at least one of the currently accepted dates on the magnitude of at least a five year margin of error. Such a small margin is hardly improbable, and even the fact that we are searching for so small an error indicates the likelihood that this passage of Daniel has been accurately fulfilled.
I certainly would not trust that site. I've seen the same rubbish before. in my own investigations...Indeed investigating the rest of the site I find that the author is very greatly distorting the facts.
It was not my intent to present this source as a perfect solution to all of life's problems. I apologize for not making this clear previously. Would it be more beneficial to you if every time I give a source for my arguments I go into great detail regarding all the areas in which I disagree with the author on every topic under the sun?
Forgive the sarcasm; I only use it to emphasize a point. You have challenged the validity of the reference based on a topic which has little bearing on the current discussion. Regardless of his accuracy or inaccuracy in other areas, the author could still be correct in regards to our topic. If you think that he is incorrect in his approach to our topic, you should provide evidence of his error. Otherwise, you should keep in mind that a reference is after all just a reference, not a blanket endorsement.

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w_fortenberry
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Message 93 of 95 (60641)
10-12-2003 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by PaulK
10-12-2003 4:47 PM


Re: The 'Lost Tribes'
That is certainly not the case fo rthe Jews.
Please differentiate for me between the lost tribes and the Jews. Please demonstrate how our inability to identify the supposed "lost tribes" prevents the people of those tribes from returning to the land of Israel. Please demonstrate that none of the Jews returning to Israel are descendents of the supposed "lost tribes."

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PaulK
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Message 94 of 95 (60643)
10-12-2003 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by w_fortenberry
10-12-2003 5:37 PM


Re: The Real Challenge
It seems that you fail to understand my point. The site you referred to is an apologetic site of the sort that is so biased as to be completely untrustworthy. It simply ahs no value as a serious source. If this is the calibre of your sources then you have no chance of finding the facts.
Even if the particular error I pointed out is not directly relevant to the particular issue under discussion, it is serious enough to cast a shadow over every claim made by it. Do you not care about the reliability of your sources ?
Even if you find some way to get your "five year error" there is still the question of which decree - the decree of Cyrus came first and is more likely meant and the fact that the last week does not fit.

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PaulK
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Message 95 of 95 (60644)
10-12-2003 6:02 PM
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10-12-2003 5:42 PM


Re: The 'Lost Tribes'
I've already explained the difference. Your attempt to make excuses is no more realistic than the claim that all modern Jews are in fact Khazars.

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