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Author Topic:   All Human Beings Are Descendants of Adam
NoNukes
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Message 28 of 118 (606516)
02-25-2011 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Huntard
02-25-2011 9:32 AM


Huntard writes:
she is just the only woman with an unbroken female line until the present day.
You are overstating the uniqueness of ME. ME is merely the most recently born ancestor of all of us. ME's mother and ME's mother's mother would each be in the same unbroken line.

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NoNukes
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Message 29 of 118 (606518)
02-25-2011 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Europa
02-25-2011 9:40 AM


quote:
You are quick to jump into a 'reconciliation' story.
You are right, but not for the reasons you give. ME is not our oldest female common ancestor. She is instead our most recent common ancestor.
Assuming the Bible to be correct regarding the creation of Adam, we would not expect mitochondrial Eve to be the Biblical Adam's mate. ME might have been born any number of generations after Biblical Eve died.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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NoNukes
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Message 39 of 118 (606542)
02-26-2011 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Europa
02-26-2011 10:19 AM


No,
Dr. A is correct. Mitochondrial Eve is found by tracing up only through the female line. (My correction left this point out). However, using the female line only is fairly arbitrary and other women are related to us just as strongly as ME.
Let's also understand that we didn't really find ME, just an estimate of the time in which she would have lived. There is really no way to find the actual person nearly 170k years ago. No actual tracing has been done, so 'tracing further up' is meaningless.
Edited by NoNukes, : Add a little

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NoNukes
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Message 42 of 118 (606765)
02-28-2011 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by bluescat48
02-26-2011 1:31 AM


bluescat writes:
Except that mitochondrial eve lived at least 70000 years before the so called biblical eve would have lived.
That's based on dates according to some hyper literal of Genesis. Surely that is not what this thread is about.

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NoNukes
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Message 45 of 118 (606779)
02-28-2011 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Dr Jack
02-28-2011 10:26 AM


Not a problem
Mr. Jack writes:
And, if the mtEve date was ~6000 years ago, that would also disprove the Genesis account because she should post-date the flood, rather than being the garden of Eden Eve.
Not so. As long as more than one woman survived the flood, it is not necessary for mitochondrial Eve to be a post-flood woman.

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NoNukes
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Message 70 of 118 (607077)
03-01-2011 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by dennis780
03-01-2011 4:03 AM


dennis780 writes:
However, you can quite easily use those models to argue that humans have NOT been in existance for millions of years, as suggested by evolutionary teaching.
Who claims that humans have been existence for millions of years?
I'd sure like to see some of that easy modeling? I believe you are blowing smoke about what can be shown using simplistic population models.
Edited by NoNukes, : I'm bad at tags

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NoNukes
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Message 109 of 118 (694896)
03-30-2013 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by kofh2u
03-30-2013 1:43 PM


Re: ... tell this Percy...
I produced a text by well known and resected Paleontologists, and showed a one-to-one correspondence with the genealogy in Genesis and the 22 now extict humans in the line of human acent.
Actually you did no such thing.
In fact you bailed out of the thread Admin provided for you to make this demonstration once too many issues were raised.
You probably won't find it productive to either continue to raise this issue or to complain about not being allowed to raise the issue in this thread, particularly after a you've received a warning not to do either of those things.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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