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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
Thanx Quicksink, though there are some points that I would like to say before we were to do discussion. Half of it involves radioisotopic dating, in which I have already asserted that I am not up to standards to debate this (I would be speculative on if you were to know the information needed to deal with it also), though there are some other points in the post that I would deal with without regard to radiometric dating, if you would put them into your own words unless the quoter is here to argue.
--(added by edit) also, what would you like to name the topic, in the other forum it was starting to get out of hand, reaching for validity in other arguments and subjects straying the initial question. What is that question? ------------------- [This message has been edited by TrueCreation, 03-01-2002]
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"A literal Biblical interpretation might not embrace this approach."
--I've seen this explination at times, I don't really agree with it though, and is definantly stretching it quite a bit. There isn't a problem with getting them to live 900 years, though I have encountered the problem of whether they did or not considering dates of various civilizations and the like, which leads you off into the validity of radioisotopic dating. I do not think that it is too wize to say that A could not have happend because of B when, for this to be true, B must be correct. I think there is evidence enough in the fossil record, but there are other conflicting objections that I would like to deal with, though I have yet to get into radioisotopes and the age of the earth. ------------------
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"I think the problem with a 900 year life span is not only improbably, it has never been scientifically documented."
--Living to such an age is not exaclty improbable. "Babylonian legends and history greatly expanded their rulers life spans as well, though no one doubts that these were exagerationgs, since fossil records don't bear this out.You can't make an arguement that things were diffenent back then without solid evidence to back it up. It would be like me saying that people used to be able to fly because gravity worked differently back then. However, without solid evidence, that would be a hard sell, don't you think? True, humans can live past a hundred years, but I believe the oldest recorded lifespan in recent times is 127. Quite a long step between 127 and 900 years. If you want to establish such an age, you need observable evidence. If you have data supporting such a life span, please share it, especially if it is genetic material. I am sure the biotech industry would be estatic to get their hands on such a sample." --Yes genetics plays a major part in these life-spans, they have experimented on different animals and seen life-spans double and tripple, I'll quote myself from earlier (these are a bit long so please forgive me!): ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote: "but the fact is that cancer cells are deadly to human life so they certainly do not allow us to live 900 years."--I think you are missing the point, the point I was making is that we easily could have lived to 600-900 years in that day unless we were inflicted with a disease or was killed by some physical force, ie fall off a cliff, drown, violent actions, etc. Cancer cells are simply cells that can reproduce continuously, as if our cells had this ability we could live for a very long time. The cause of this happening could have been a mutational effect, then after the tower of babel the bottleneck would have made this negative gene take the place of the original gene allowing cells to produce continuously. [/Quote] --Here is some information and reading on this enzyme activity in its shortening telomerase: "This enzyme, called telomerase, was discovered in 1980 by the winner of the 1998 Australia Prize, Prof. Elizabeth Blackburn. Without telomerase, cells cannot copy their ‘caps’." New Scientist: November 22, 1997, p. 7; January 3, 1998, p. 6; February 7, 1998, p. 14; February 28, 1998, p. 23. ‘Can science beat the body clock?’ Sunday Times (London) January 18, 1998, p. 15. ‘Extraordinary lifespans in ants: a test of evolutionary theories of aging’, Nature 389:958—960, 1997. ‘Why do we age?’ U.S. News & World Report, August 18—25, 1997, pp. 55—57. ‘Genetics of Aging’ Science 278(5337):407—411, 1997. --As I would also get frustrated if I did not have these resources, here is a web page that seems to be focused on the telomere:
http://resolution.colorado.edu/~nakamut/telomere/telomere.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --Here are two clips from a site (that definantly isn't creationist associated) on the effects of the telomere and telomerase: Aging is a Specific Biological Function Rather than the Result of a Disorder in Complex Living Systems: Biochemical Evidence in Support of Weismann's Hypothesis- http://puma.protein.bio.msu.su/biokhim....394.htm quote: quote: --Here is where you can get more information on the effects of telomere and telomerase as I previously gave:
http://resolution.colorado.edu/~nakamut/telomere/telomere.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ [This message has been edited by TrueCreation, 03-03-2002]
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"Bah, my spelling is atrocious today. "
--Thats no problem, happens to me rather frequently, people were getting rather edgy about it in the 'Afterlife' Thread. I cannot open up any of my word pad's because of a virus that I am too lazy to get rid of, so I have a problem there. ------------------ [This message has been edited by TrueCreation, 03-03-2002]
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