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fearandloathing
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Message 275 of 357 (606333)
02-24-2011 8:50 PM


Ok I jumped to last page and even went back some 2 pages
What i want to know is what does any of this have to do with the matter availibe at the time of big bang. I think it is impossible to do anything but guess at this point. Maybe there is a god who created it and set the wheels in motion to create the universe as we know it??? But maybe all the matter that was needed was the leftovers from a universe that collapsed?? Either way you look at it it still leaves question of where did it all come from.... I don't know if that can be answered...least not in my lifetime...without a huge leap of faith.

  
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Message 276 of 357 (606334)
02-24-2011 9:02 PM


I like the question of this topic. I think it may be one of the few things that cant be explained by any science as of this point in time....But it in no means proves there is a god.....I would think it would be a fundamental question for any advanced race... But one without an answer. Please enlighten me to any scientific theory that would explain where matter came from??

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Message 279 of 357 (606376)
02-25-2011 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by frako
02-25-2011 2:38 AM


[qs=frako][qs] big bang or anthing you mentioned has nothing to do with the question...Where did it come from... I asked for scientific theroy on where matter comes from...not how the universe started...I have several of Hawkings books...breif history of time is is a good one, but it does not adress where all the original matter came from. I do know the First law of thermodynamics says Matter cannot be created or destroysd?? well that cant be 100% correct. I have read why there isnt more anti-matter in our universe, but nothing that explains what led up to big bang...where did this energy/matter come from...did it all just pop into exsistence as a lot of virtual particles that interacted to make our universe?? if so then why and where did they come from???
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fearandloathing
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Message 283 of 357 (606442)
02-25-2011 1:29 PM
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02-25-2011 12:41 PM


I understand everything after T=0,in a simplified fashion even with my limited understanding as a layperson. I guess it is just hard for me to wrap my mind around not knowing what set of circumstances led up to it.
As I understand time it is relative to the place it is being measured. Going near the speed of light for a period of time would cause a space traveler a problem coming home. His time relative to ours was slowed down so that it appears to him he was gone much longer than the amount of time that passed on his ship. The longer you go then the greater the difference. Not time travel, but to the traveler it appears so.
Sorry...got off topic a bit. As I said earlier, Thermodynamics says no matter can be created or destroyed and this fits with the overall model. Thanks for input I will read more after few aspirin!!! lol.

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fearandloathing
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Message 285 of 357 (606477)
02-25-2011 3:18 PM
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02-25-2011 2:53 PM


Re: Relativity
DBlevins writes:
...so that it appears to him he was gone much longer than the amount of time that passed on his ship.
I think you mean that on Earth, more time would have transpired than it would have for the spacecraft and its crew.
Going off memory here, but a spaceship and crew leaving Earth to travel to the center? of our galaxy and then back to Earth would take it 20 years. On Earth, though, 2 million years would have passed.
Thats what I meant. My wording was not as clear as it should have been, sorry.
It would appear to traveler that much more time had passed at home than had passed for him on the ship.

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fearandloathing
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Message 289 of 357 (606600)
02-26-2011 9:30 PM


earths orbit and matter???
Ok please tell me what the orbit of earth has to do with this topic as started in the first post?? The seasons and why they happen is at best middle school science. It isn't even worthy of so much discussion. Many things effect climate, ocean currents, amount of ice reflecting energy ect...Seasons are a product of earths tilt, which also changes. You might as well try to say that it is all a product of the solar cycle and has nothing to do with tilt. As I see it all these things effect one another...But it has nothing to do with the creation of matter.

  
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Message 290 of 357 (606607)
02-26-2011 11:33 PM
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02-26-2011 6:33 PM


Re: Both orbit around the sun and tilt combined produce the earth's seasons
I must respond to the statement that you speak for the divine tailor. What do you mean??? You are a profit of god?? Do you speak for....or about the divine tailor?? I am confused so please clarify what you mean. As I understand it nobody speaks for god, god might speak through you. Is that what you suggest? I suspect you mean you speak of the divine tailor, not for him.

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Message 302 of 357 (607060)
03-01-2011 4:59 PM
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03-01-2011 4:08 PM


Seasons
Look it up in wiki...If only to look at the links to the science the article uses as reference. Do your own research.
When you can find a theory to support your claims let me know...Several references to science behind it too.

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fearandloathing
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Message 303 of 357 (607064)
03-01-2011 5:27 PM
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03-01-2011 4:08 PM


seasons
Ok John you can google "what if earth had no tilt. That would be same as not orbiting, as far as the lack of change in the amount of energy reaching any point on earth. The only change then would be from the distance to sun, which is what I believe you are after. You can see the effects at ecology.com/features/tilting earth. There are a few other answers out there too but none support what you say.

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