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Huntard
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Message 654 of 752 (607149)
03-02-2011 10:14 AM 		Reply to: Message 653 by havoc
03-02-2011 10:10 AM

Re: my karma ran over your dogma
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No you did not.
Yes he did.
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This study as it is laid out by you shows a previously winged insect losing that info and regaining it.
Exactly. It had the information, lost it, and new information (it didn't have it anymore, afterall) was added, making the wings reappear.
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This is possible and not evolution.
Of course it is evolution. Why wouldn't it be evolution?
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You need to show novel info being created.
He did. If you had a car, sell it and then buy a new car, do you not say "Hey, I've got a new car".
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03-02-2011 10:22 AM 		Reply to: Message 655 by havoc
03-02-2011 10:16 AM

Re: DNA, mutation AND selection
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If you hang your hat on Shannon theory of info you are deluding yourself.
Could you then tell me what kind of "information" I should look at?
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Its not the number of letters present it’s the order. Its specified complexity.
And how do I measure this "specified complexity"? How can I see that information was gained or lost?
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If a cell once had the ability to regulate say the production of a certain protein and now it doesn’t this is loss of information, Even if the mutation added to the total bits available.
Why? Because you say so?
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Huntard
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03-02-2011 10:29 AM 		Reply to: Message 657 by havoc
03-02-2011 10:18 AM

Re: my karma ran over your dogma
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Blind cave fish can regain sight, I think there must still be the information in the genome that can sometimes be manifest. The information already exists.
Once again I ask you to provide evidence instead of just asserting. Show there was still information there.
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Also, according to your earlier post a "loss of information" is a loss of function. We can look at this in two ways. Either this is true (even though you still need to provide a way to measure this), and then they really lost the info when they went blind/lost their wings. Meaning that the regaining of this ability is a gain of information. Or, we can, as you now seem to say, say that a loss of function is not a loss of information, making your entire point rather, well, pointless.
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03-02-2011 5:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 689 by havoc
03-02-2011 5:02 PM

Re: Address posts please
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I commented on this and how its design was not flawed and how this was one of the examples of convergent evolution that evos use as a just so explanation of violations of their theory.
There are no violations of evolutionary theory, that is why it is a theory.
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Someone retorted that it was not homologous since it develops differently in octopus and mammals. So I said the same could be said for vertebrate bone development. They said no way vertebrates backbone develops the same to which I said but their fingers don’t.
And as has been shown, their fingers do. So you still haven't provided any evidence for your assertions.
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The point being that if one is proof for common ancestor than the other has to be proof against.
Only if you can produce one.
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I don’t need to be lectured about ethics from a REDSOX fan.
And here you were saying how people attacked you.
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Huntard
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03-02-2011 5:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 691 by havoc
03-02-2011 5:15 PM

Re: Address posts please
Perhaps, but what some people find funny, others find offensive. The point is that you can't complain about being attacked when you do it yourself, whether it was meant as humour or not.
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03-03-2011 3:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 717 by havoc
03-03-2011 3:27 PM

Re: et all
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So all I have heard is that Dembski and Gitt are wrong. Do any of you purpose any other way of differentiating between random key strokes and the written English language?
You haven't even told us how they differentiate the English language from random key strokes. How do we measure this "specified complexity"?
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