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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
In Message 35, NoNukes said:
NoNukes writes: You are playing silly word games. Empirical evidence is the only kind of evidence. So as not to go off topic this thread appears to be the more appropriate one for a response to NoNukes. My response is as follows:
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Coyote writes: The same goes for Biblical advocates. The more aggregate corroborative evidence supportive to the Biblical record, the more each account in the record is corroborated. But how do you count aggregate negative evidence? Global flood? Young earth? Talking snakes? Or do you just ignore that negative evidence? Imo, BB singularity and multi-verse theories have more negative aspects than the above. What is empirical, supportive or what ever will be determined relative to one's ideology. Do you agree with NoNukes that all evidence must be empirical in order to be considered evidence? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
DrJones* writes: Do you agree with NoNukes that all evidence must be empirical in order to be considered evidence?
Buz do you even know what empirical means? From the Online Dictionary:
quote: Do you consider all evidence attributed to abiogenesis as empirical as per the above definition? How about multi-verse theory? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
ringo writes: Buzsaw writes:
The point of empirical evidence is to eliminate ideological differences. People with different ideological/political/religious backgrounds must be able to make the same observations. What is empirical, supportive or what ever will be determined relative to one's ideology. But the same empirical evidence is often interpreted differently, depending on the hypothesis. Such is the case in interpreting what formed the large delta which is Nuweiba beach at Aqaba or what formed the Grand Canyon, as examples. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Biblically, humans are designed after the likeness of their designer, unlike brute beasts. This is evidenced in the huge intelligence and reasoning gap between the most intelligent animal and human kind. Among all of the animals, there is no really significant intelligence and reasoning gap, such as is observed between animals and humans.
Biblically, intelligent humans were determined by the designer to rule over the animal kingdom. This has all been observed throughout recorded human history. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
fearandloathing writes: So if I understand your line of thought then a mouse has no significant difference in intelligence or ability to reason compared to a chimp or bonobo? Nothing compared to the gap between mouse and humans. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I was hoping, before the closing of the thread, I'd get some response to my Message 33, culminating an exchange between Fearandloathing and me concerning the huge intelligence gap observed, relating to humans and other creatures. I alluded to evidence that throughout human history, mankind has ruled over the brute beasts as per Genesis.
No gap between other species even approaches the gap between humans and other creatures, relative to reasoning, creativity, logic, spiritual, control, travel, and cultural, etc. I see this as evidence of design attested to by recorded history. You can follow the short debate between us to follow it. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
fearandloathing writes: Buzsaw writes: I was hoping, before the closing of the thread, I'd get some response to my Message 33, culminating an exchange between Fearandloathing and me concerning the huge intelligence gap observed, relating to humans and other creatures. I alluded to evidence that throughout human history, mankind has ruled over the brute beasts as per Genesis. No gap between other species even approaches the gap between humans and other creatures, relative to reasoning, creativity, logic, spiritual, control, travel, and cultural, etc. I see this as evidence of design attested to by recorded history. You can follow the short debate between us to follow it. I think everyone would agree with me when I said that the difference between a mouse and a chimp is far greater than us and a chimp, well most of us. Chimps can learn language, they use and fashion tools and have complex social groups. Similarities closer to man than to a mouse in intelligence. LOL, Fearandloathing. When you cite evidence that chimps write books, build skyscrapers, worship in synagogues designed and built by them, capture, control and incarcerate humans in zoos designed and built by them for all chimps to observe, design craft to fly around the world and to the moon, plant, cultivate gardens and fields, create and use surgical instruments, do science, operate universities of learning design and build techy stuff like computers and manufacture instruments to play composed music in orchestras, etc, etc, get back to me. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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