Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen?

Thank you, Jar. I stand corrected. I was careless when I posted this and/or perhaps in too much of a hurry. I never regarded that as an alter. I should have said rock.

Admin, I don't believe circumstantial evidence would be corroborated by multiple evidences as I have shown to be the case here. Nor would it involve photo-graphical research to the extent that scientist Moller has done.I don't buy your argument, any more than the renowned credentialed scientist researcher would. There are many intelligent people who would not agree to your position. Some would and some would not.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

You're resorting to (as others have attempted) to divide and conquer, discounting the aggregate line-up of supportive evidence. I suggest that you read or reread about that in the thread, before arriving at an objective conclusion.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

According to the record, due to their unbelief and murmuring, only the young survived to go into the promised land, the rest all dying in the wilderness and particularly, Kadesh Barnea. Moses, in fact, climbed the mountain on which he expired and died, a healthy man, at the age of 120. Many were likely aged but healthy when they exited Egypt. They would have died off in the wilderness or at Kadesh.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

I have no further evidence than what I have cited. If you choose to close the thread or disqualify me from further participation, that's your call.

Buz, you're repeating the very claims I asked you to stop repeating. If you're going to ignore moderator requests then please stop participating in this thread. I'm going to hide the content. Also, please stop replying to my messages. This is not a discussion. I've made my requests clear, so please follow them or stop posting. --AdminEdited by Admin, : Hide content.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Edited by Admin, : Hide content because it is in violation of moderator requests.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Edited by Admin, : Hide content because it is in violation of moderator requests.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Hi Ludwik. Welcome to EvC. We're honored to have members of your academic stature aboard. I hope you will find time to continue with us.Have you read the whole thread objectively? Personally I think you need to become objectively (I say objectively) aware of the physical evidence cited in this thread; all of it corroboratively.It doesn't take much evidence to convince secularists of, say, multi-verses and abiogenesis. On the other hand no amount of evidence will ever convince avowed secularists of anything involving the existence of the Biblical god, Jehovah.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

My last message was a welcoming and advocation to Ludwig, not to rehash what's been covered in the thread.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

In Message 175 I listed what I considered supportive evidence for the Exodus event. Some, if not all on the list have been rejected as non-evidential by both Admin and other counterparts.Thus, when Admin called for another list, I assumed that what Admin really wanted was something acceptable to him and/or other counterparts in this debate which would needs be additional evidence. Message 175 list:

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There has been debate about the entrapment which amounted to arguing about the Biblical description of the circumstances which the befell them. Arachophilia and Jar have dialogged further on that account. Jar brought up images of the shore area near the traditional Mt Sinai. It would have been easier to escape that region than Nuweiba, especially given the Egyptians had chariots to reckon with.Objections were aired about the shallows at Nuweiba. I offered possible scenarios on that, including the erosive energy of the released walls of water rushing back upon the relatively soft sandbar, which was essentially a delta formed from the canyon at some time (imo, by the Noaic flood) but nevertheless a canyon delta which would not likely have produced a hardened delta, If the Noaic flood formed it, the forming of it was relatively recent to that time If not recently formed, it would still be more easily eroded than the rocky shores of that region.Nuweiba, so far as I can ascertain, is the most doable topographical area of the Red Sea for a crossing. No reasonable area of the main body of the Red sea having any corroborative evidence exists.As to the blackened mountain, there was some question about what gave the mountain the dark appearance. The fact remains that there is a dark topped mountain in the right secession of ducts corroborating my acclaimed evidences.The inscriptions were debatable as well.. The fact remains that they, likewise, were of hoofed animals indicative of some activity in the region and positioned at the right corroborative location.The land of Midian is debatable, but again, the corroborating evidence favors Arabia.Lennart Moller's reputation and credentials seem to indicate that he was not an impostor. There was too much at stake for him to risk his academic credibility. I maintain that secularist researchers do not have a vested interest in researching Nuweiba since it involves the supernatural.I consider the Mollar research as the core evidence to build upon with the corroborative support.The split rock has the appearance of a sudden severance compatible with the Exodus account. Jar produced images of creek bed smooth round rocks in his feeble attempt to debunk the water-flow area below the split rock. I countered that a shattered rock would not produce smooth rounded rocks at the base of the crack. There is a leveled bed of fractured pieces leveled so as to indicate a water-flow at the base of the crack. Likely the flow did not last long enough to round off or smoothen the shattered pieces which exist there.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

The account does not mention Jehovah changing the topography. All it says is that he rolled back the waters and dried up the sea floor.It's logical to assume that Jehovah would direct his people to the most doable route to and through the sea. Jehovah tends to do for his people what they can't do for themselves.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

The delta sandbar is not purely hypothetical. Your refuse to acknowledge the possibility of my scenarios.You have provided no evidence that the Moller is a lying impostor. None have yet made any effort to research the region so as to falsify the evidence that Moller has produced. There was some discussion and images of a site near traditional Mt Sinai which would be topographically far less doable than Nuweiba and less likely to entrap them. Again, little or no corroborative support has been cited for any other crossing as compatible with the Biblical record as the Nuweiba site. Say what? The corroborating evidences which you doggedly refuse to acknowledge are all that make it significant, including the animal inscriptions below the mountain, the split rock and Moller's research etc.One thing which would be problematic, were it not for the corroborating evidence is that the hills in the region appeared to have a dark appearance, possibly due to some brush or something. Nevertheless, that would not necessarily falsify the question of the cause of the mountain's black appearance.Were there no black topped mountain in the region, the other ducks in my row would lack a significant duck for completion of the row needful to support the Biblical account. How can you continue repeating that feeble argument, Paul? The people had hoofed animals and they worshiped a calf. Regardless of the number of inscriptions or why they carved them, the important thing is that out in no man's land, so to speak, they exist, supportive to the other evidences cited. Josephus wrote that the Biblical Mt Sinai is in Midian. The apostles and another historian cited in the link concur.Paul, you can't just waive off each and every acclaimed corroborative evidence cited as totally non-supportive to the Exodus account. Note that I say supportive, just as Moller has done in his Exodus Video. He says that he has done the research. He admonishes the viewers to look at the evidences and decide for themselves as to what to believe about them. Split rock alone?? So much for objectivity. I've alluded to the fragments in question relative to the water flow. So far, none have effectively countered my arguments.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

I've explained my position on that count. What have you got for refutation? Give it your best shot. You're a man of many repetious questions and few edifying responses.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Can we agree that Nuweiba beach is essentially a large delta formed from the Wadi Waki and the canyon (Colored Canyon?) which it emerges from?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.