Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen?

You claim you have presented evidence in this thread. Others say you haven't. Rather than continuing this, "Yes I did, no you didn't" I want you to settle the issue by collecting all that evidence into a single message.

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--	Percy
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Buz, you're repeating the very claims I asked you to stop repeating. If you're going to ignore moderator requests then please stop participating in this thread. I'm going to hide the content. Also, please stop replying to my messages. This is not a discussion. I've made my requests clear, so please follow them or stop posting. --AdminEdited by Admin, : Hide content.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

I think you're missing the point. They were in the desert for 40 years. The average lifespan was 40 years. That means nearly every one who started the journey should have died in the desert.So you're saying that even though the lifespan was 40 years in that time frame, this did not apply to those in the desert?

So let us sum up the facts:All the scriptural "evidence" offered is either false or based on a misunderstanding. None of it stands.There is not one piece of physical evidence that is even likely to have anything to do with the Exodus.Other evidence that Buz claimed to have was never produced and apparently never existed.It is claimed that Moller's reputation in other fields is such that we must regard his claims as trustworthy despite the lack of significant evidence in his favour - and all the evidence that Moller's work is credulous and ignorant at best and heavily relies on the claims of the disreputable Ron Wyatt.And Buz tries to claim that it is his opponents who are unfairly biased ?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

You haven't challenged anybody. If the children of Israel did cross the Gulf of Aqaba at Nuweiba, that wouldn't present the slightest problem to anything I believe. I'd be more than happy to accept it, so you can stop lying about that.The issue is that you've presented no evidence that hasn't been soundly refuted. You don't even seem to have any understanding of what evidence is. You can't just keep claiming that it supports your position when you've been shown that it doesn't.On top of that, most of your claims flat-out contradict what the Bible says.

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You can have brevity and clarify, or you can have accuracy and detail, but you can't easily have both. --Percy

Looking at Message 175 I see NO sign of you presenting evidence. An assertion that is not supported by any evidence. Do you know what evidence is Buz? Where is the evidence? Again, an irrelevant assertion unsupported by evidence. You have shown no evidence of why Nuwebia beach is any better than any of literally hundreds of other far more likely locations. Where is the evidence? Another totally unsupported assertion. Where in the story does it say the crossing was at the most shallow part of any sea? Remember, evidence Buz, not your fantasy or imagination. Where is the evidence? Again, that is not evidence that they ARE chariot wheels. Where is the evidence? You showed a photo of a very common geological formation, a split rock, but NO evidence of water flow. You simply assert there was water flow in spite of the fact that the rocks in the asserted stream bed do not show any signs of water erosion. Where is the evidence? Nonsense. Another unsupported assertion. In addition, your very own source pointed out that the Midians territory extended in the Sinai Peninsula on both sides of the Gulf of Aqaba. Where is the evidence? As would a mountain on the Sinai Peninsula. More unsupported assertion there Buz. Where is the evidence? Again, so you claim. But you presented no evidence to support that position even though several others presented other explanations that certainly would explain a black topped mountain in the area. Where is the evidence? And you presented no evidence to support that. In addition, as pointed out above, almost anywhere on the Sinai Peninsula would be in Midian. That also adds NO support to the Exodus ever happening and so was just another attempt to palm the pea. Where is the evidence? Again, nonsense Buz. See Dead Duck 8 above. Where is the evidence? We been over the images Buz. They are pretty common pictoglyphs. In addition, no evidence has been presented to show that they are even in the area. Where is the evidence? Again, you have NOT provided any evidence that such a plain was occupied or any reason that flat spot is any different than any other such place. Where is the evidence?Now you claimed that you presented evidence in Message 175 and so I have patiently addressed each point you raised there.You provided no evidence in support of any one of your so called ducks and in fact each and every one of the ducks is simply an assertion.Edited by jar, : appalin spallinEdited by jar, : and addrosious grammr

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

You presented NO evidence Buz. Do you even know what evidence is? You just made assertions. Show us ONE piece of evidence that was in Message 175.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Well im an atheist and i have no phobia for EVIDENCE of the supernatural, and am actualy quite interested in some supernatural claim shows. And am quite intrigued by the EVP (electronic voice phenomenon) evidence some ghostunter shows come up with.Tough if some ghost hunter shows an evp with one badly heard word im not gona take that as evidence of any kind because our brains are wired to make sense of patterns even if there is no sence in patterns tough i herd some evps that make your skin crawl 4 and more word sentences clearly heard and in context with questions asked. Now that kind of evidence merits speculation, more investigation .......Now the same goes for you and your claims if you have such claims that go against factual evidence known so fare you haveto provide STRONG evidence strong enough to merit rethinking of the old facts, a broken rock in a desert filled with broken rocks is very weak, a cow painting not strong at all, corrals that look like wheels do not convince me to change history books it is an interesting find it would merit further investigation just to be sure tough my money is on more plausible explanations like (they just happen to look like wheels and are not wheels, they are weals of a different era fallen of a boat ......)evidence that would make me lean to your side of the debate would be:
- a trail of lamb bones, broken pots, wheels fireplaces ......
- Egyptian hyrolgiphes telling the same storry
- Writings of other nations describing the tale .....Stuff like that that we would be sure to find if the exodus happened you can apologiese the lack of this evidence all you want whiteout some concrete evidence its not believable.

Hi Buz - please see the message this is a reply to.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Not just an unsupported assertion but a blatant falsehood. It was only after Theodoric in Message 212 showed Buz that the depth at the alleged crossing site is ~765m that Buz in Message 214 decided that a magical tsunami carved out the current depth. Buz's duck 3 is dead.

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Most Biblical stories describe what people believed long time ago. Some stories were probably invented. Most theologians would probably agree. Personally I am not ware of physical remains of exodus.Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)
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.Edited by kowalskil, : a typo

Even worse, he cannot show the size of so called wheels (no reference) or even what size Eqyptian chariot wheels were.Edited by Trae, : he cannot show the size of so called wheels (no reference)

Hi Ludwik. Welcome to EvC. We're honored to have members of your academic stature aboard. I hope you will find time to continue with us.Have you read the whole thread objectively? Personally I think you need to become objectively (I say objectively) aware of the physical evidence cited in this thread; all of it corroboratively.It doesn't take much evidence to convince secularists of, say, multi-verses and abiogenesis. On the other hand no amount of evidence will ever convince avowed secularists of anything involving the existence of the Biblical god, Jehovah.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.