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fearandloathing
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Message 23 of 85 (608496)
03-10-2011 4:58 PM


I am not quiet sure how old I was when I first Questioned where I should put my faith? My mother grew up catholic, my father southern baptist. Neither took me to church as my mother couldn't attend as she was excommunicated from catholic church. She married too young and divorced her first husband. I know this troubled her throughout life. I only found out after I once asked mom why she didn't ever come to church.A friend of mine was preachers son and I went with them from time I was 6 or so til I was a teen. I guess when she told me why she couldn't go I began to wonder. I know she could've converted but I feel like she thought it was her burden to bear.She was married to my dad for 50 years before she passed 2 years ago tomorrow. I think seeing the negative effect on my mother was what led me to the truth. But never once did she influence me either way.

  
fearandloathing
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Message 47 of 85 (608859)
03-14-2011 7:30 PM


I still use word god or lord???
I find myself often usind word lord or god in my speach. Habbit I guess as it is as often as not in the form of GD....or things like lord look at that mess...Jesus, what the hell were you thinking ...ect.
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fearandloathing
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Message 55 of 85 (608871)
03-14-2011 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by slevesque
03-14-2011 8:05 PM


slevesque writes:
That's not how it works. Some of us don't need the a belief in God in order to be a respectful member of society. Some of us actually want to be good because it is the right thing to do.
But that's just the inconsistency of atheism right, there is no such thing as being good for goodness sake. In the words of Cavediver, nothing is right or wrong, ''everything just IS''. With the clear consequences that this can have.
Children's starving, people dying of cancer, entire villages wiped out by tsunami's. These things are neither right or wrong, they just ARE. right ?
I don't belive in God in any practical sense. Maybe I am conflicted or just plain confused? I do belive that it is possible that "God" started the whole process before time existed as we understand it, but after T=0. big bang, he has let things develop on their own. There is no proof of this , but I cant discount it either.
I do know that I try to give back, I do habitat for humanity houses. I plumb at least one a year for the last 6 years or so, since work is slow I have done a few more the last 2 years. I do it because it makes me feel good, everyone there is coming together for a common goal to help. There is a sense of fellowship that is just good, different people from many different walks of life coming together in a positive goal, putting our political and religious and racial differences aside.
I don't need God to tell me it is the right thing to do. Just my opinion.

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fearandloathing
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Message 57 of 85 (608875)
03-14-2011 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by slevesque
03-14-2011 8:55 PM


slevesque writes:
I don't belive in God in any practical sense. Maybe I am conflicted or just plain confused? I do belive that it is possible that "God" started the whole process before time existed as we understand it, but after T=0. big bang, he has let things develop on their own. There is no proof of this , but I cant discount it either.
SO you're ... agnostic ? soft atheist ? In any of these cases, your approach to morality will be similar to atheists.
I do know that I try to give back, I do habitat for humanity houses. I plumb at least one a year for the last 6 years or so, since work is slow I have done a few more the last 2 years. I do it because it makes me feel good, everyone there is coming together for a common goal to help. There is a sense of fellowship that is just good, different people from many different walks of life coming together in a positive goal, putting our political and religious and racial differences aside.
None of this actually deals with what I said actually. If things just ARE, how can you say such and such a thing is wrong ? or right ?
I don't know what group I would fit into?? I guess I am ignorant as to what group I am supposed to support although I really don't like being called anything. One of the reasons I am on this forum is to learn, and to gain a better understanding of my own beliefs, they are by no means set in stone. I want people to challenge my worldviews.
Right or wrong is subjective. Many people would disagree about what is moral. I base my decisions on my own Idea of what is right and wrong...on many things we would agree I am sure. On others we would probably differ.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4166 days)
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From: Burlington, NC, USA
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Message 61 of 85 (608883)
03-14-2011 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by slevesque
03-14-2011 9:50 PM


slevesque writes:
I don't know what group I would fit into?? I guess I am ignorant as to what group I am supposed to support although I really don't like being called anything. One of the reasons I am on this forum is to learn, and to gain a better understanding of my own beliefs, they are by no means set in stone. I want people to challenge my worldviews.
Fair enough, but don't take this as ''a group you are supposed to support'', because it's not about that. It is just words that we define to identify people's different worldviews. Saying that your personnal worldview is more like atheism doesn't mean you have to ''support the group''.
Right or wrong is subjective. Many people would disagree about what is moral. I base my decisions on my own Idea of what is right and wrong...on many things we would agree I am sure. On others we would probably differ.
But on those thigns that we do differ, is one of us more correct then the other ? Or are we both correct ? or are we both incorrect ?
If I say that to kill retarded children is ok, and you disagree, how do we settle this ?
This is a good question, one that has been faced many times, slavery... forced sterilization in VA of people deemed not worthy of breeding....Nazis...use of certain weapons...Views change of what is ok and not all the time.
What are you suggesting we do to all get on the same page?? I am not trying to argue any side.

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fearandloathing
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From: Burlington, NC, USA
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Message 64 of 85 (608886)
03-14-2011 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by slevesque
03-14-2011 10:16 PM


slevesque writes:
So the stronger one is right ? Or the one with the most people who agree with him ? Or is nobody right 'in the reality of things' ?
And how would you know if voting is a good way to approach these situations ? By having a vote ?
What do you sugest? LOL I am going to be suspende for this...LOL...JK

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fearandloathing
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Message 65 of 85 (608887)
03-14-2011 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by slevesque
03-14-2011 10:16 PM


slevesque writes:
So the stronger one is right ? Or the one with the most people who agree with him ? Or is nobody right 'in the reality of things' ?
And how would you know if voting is a good way to approach these situations ? By having a vote ?
It is easy to "answer" a question with another one. But now is when you tell us what you think we should do...what is your opinion???

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fearandloathing
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Posts: 990
From: Burlington, NC, USA
Joined: 02-24-2011


Message 69 of 85 (608893)
03-14-2011 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by slevesque
03-14-2011 10:38 PM


slevesque writes:
It is easy to "answer" a question with another one. But now is when you tell us what you think we should do...what is your opinion???
In my worldview, absolute morality does exist, and so one person will be right, and the other will be wrong. We now which is which by comparing to this absolute morality
I don't follow you?? your use of English is puzzling in regards to your last sentence??
Once again...where do you get your absolute morality?? From who?? god...whose god ..which god...what makes yours right?? What makes my personal views any less valid than yours??

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