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shadow71
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Message 100 of 114 (608333)
03-09-2011 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Percy
01-20-2011 8:56 AM


Re: Mutation rates
Percy posted
But, as prof. John Mattick said:
quote:
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the failure to recognise the implications of the non-coding DNA will go down as the biggest mistake in the history of molecular biology
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Percy then wrote;
As rebuttal to what the evidence currently indicates to be true you're offering someone's opinion about what might someday be discovered to be true. What do you think about maybe basing your arguments upon what the evidence currently in hand indicates?
--Percy
Just to clarify, Mattick wrote the above quote in 2004. He has since written in 2010 the following;
The central role of RNA regulation in human development and cognition - John Mattick
Professor John Mattick
It appears that the genetic programming of humans and other complex organisms has been fundamentally misunderstood for the past 50 years, because of the assumption that most genetic information is transacted by proteins. The human genome contains about 20,000 conventional protein-coding genes, surprisingly about the same number and with largely similar functions as those in tiny worms that have only 1000 cells. On the other hand, the extent of non-protein-coding DNA, traditionally thought to be junk, increases with increasing complexity, reaching over 98.8 percent in humans. Moreover, it is now evident that these non-coding sequences are transcribed in a dynamic manner, to produce tens, if not hundreds of thousands of noncoding RNAs, and that most complex genetic phenomena are RNA-directed, which suggests that there exists a vast hidden layer of regulatory RNAs that control human development and brain function.
Is it agreed in the scientific biological community that Mattick is correct about "junk DNA" and their effect on the conrol of human development and brain function?

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shadow71
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Message 106 of 114 (608438)
03-10-2011 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Theodoric
03-09-2011 10:16 PM


Theodoric, here is the paper by Mattick. The quote is also on his web site page.
Anais da Academia Brasileira de Cincias
version ISSN 0001-3765
An. Acad. Bras. Cinc. vol.82 no.4 Rio de Janeiro Dec. 2010
doi: 10.1590/S0001-37652010000400016
BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES
The central role of RNA in the genetic programming of complex organisms
John S. Mattick
Institute for Molecular Bioscience, University of Queensland, Brisbane 4072, Australia

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shadow71
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Message 107 of 114 (608439)
03-10-2011 11:16 AM
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03-10-2011 4:16 AM


Re: Mutation rates
Thanks Wounded King

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shadow71
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Message 110 of 114 (608504)
03-10-2011 7:10 PM
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03-10-2011 3:22 PM


Re: Mutation rates
Taq writes;
I would say that Mattick's conclusion is not supported by the evidence in hand.
Thanks Taq, appreciate and respect your expertise.

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Message 111 of 114 (608507)
03-10-2011 7:20 PM
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03-10-2011 11:18 AM


Theodoric writes;
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
Sorry, I have technological problems with providing cites that can be accessed from my posts.
In re above about facts. They certainly can be interpreted differently by many people , so in one way facts may just be facts, but the people citing them may have an agenda.

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shadow71
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Message 113 of 114 (608511)
03-10-2011 7:42 PM
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03-10-2011 7:32 PM


Theodoric writes;
And it seems your source has an agenda
Would you care to enlighten me with your interpretation of the agenda of "my" source?
I just quoted a paper that seemed to be in conflict with what Percy had posted, and I merely asked for opinions from the scientists on this board as to Mattick's statement in his paper.

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