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shadow71
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Message 107 of 114 (608439)
03-10-2011 11:16 AM
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03-10-2011 4:16 AM


Re: Mutation rates
Thanks Wounded King
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Theodoric
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Message 108 of 114 (608440)
03-10-2011 11:18 AM
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03-10-2011 11:14 AM


would it kill you to provide the link? Why should I have to do the research to find his webpage?

Wounded King already did the work for you. See how easy that was.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Message 109 of 114 (608469)
03-10-2011 3:22 PM
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03-09-2011 7:45 PM


Re: Mutation rates
Is it agreed in the scientific biological community that Mattick is correct about "junk DNA" and their effect on the conrol of human development and brain function?

Mattick leaps to the conclusion, as seen in this sentence:

"Moreover, it is now evident that these non-coding sequences are transcribed in a dynamic manner, to produce tens, if not hundreds of thousands of noncoding RNAs, and that most complex genetic phenomena are RNA-directed, which suggests that there exists a vast hidden layer of regulatory RNAs that control human development and brain function."

Mattick leaps from "transcribed" to "has function" without ever showing that there is function. Also, if Mattick is relying on the ENCODE data sets I think most would agree that it is way to early to make any judgements. Some have even challenged the ENCODE data in that some of their data may be related to shorter products from known genes. Also, the number of transcripts from "junk DNA" is very low compared to RNA from known genes.

I would say that Mattick's conclusion is not supported by the evidence in hand.

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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shadow71
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Message 110 of 114 (608504)
03-10-2011 7:10 PM
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03-10-2011 3:22 PM


Re: Mutation rates
Taq writes;

I would say that Mattick's conclusion is not supported by the evidence in hand.

Thanks Taq, appreciate and respect your expertise.


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shadow71
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Message 111 of 114 (608507)
03-10-2011 7:20 PM
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03-10-2011 11:18 AM


Theodoric writes;

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

Sorry, I have technological problems with providing cites that can be accessed from my posts.

In re above about facts. They certainly can be interpreted differently by many people , so in one way facts may just be facts, but the people citing them may have an agenda.


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Theodoric
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Message 112 of 114 (608508)
03-10-2011 7:32 PM
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03-10-2011 7:20 PM


In re above about facts. They certainly can be interpreted differently by many people , so in one way facts may just be facts, but the people citing them may have an agenda.

And it seems your source has an agenda.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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shadow71
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Message 113 of 114 (608511)
03-10-2011 7:42 PM
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03-10-2011 7:32 PM


Theodoric writes;

And it seems your source has an agenda

Would you care to enlighten me with your interpretation of the agenda of "my" source?

I just quoted a paper that seemed to be in conflict with what Percy had posted, and I merely asked for opinions from the scientists on this board as to Mattick's statement in his paper.


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Theodoric
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Message 114 of 114 (608513)
03-10-2011 7:45 PM
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03-10-2011 7:42 PM


As you I respect Taq's opinion on these matters. I think he said it quite well.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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