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Author Topic:   What IS evidence of design? (CLOSING STATEMENTS ONLY)
jar
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Message 332 of 377 (608659)
03-12-2011 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 331 by havoc
03-12-2011 11:25 AM


havoc writes:
It's physical all the way down
well everything has a physical aspect but is that enough to explain genetics?
Yes, fully and completely. What's more, it is the ONLY option that is available.
Until the proponents of ID or Creationism can ever be anything more than a silly comedy they need to present evidence on the level of that presented in the OP.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 337 of 377 (608664)
03-12-2011 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 334 by havoc
03-12-2011 11:33 AM


havoc writes:
Yes, fully and completely.
Are you aware that many (most) secular scientists think that genetics is best understood in the terms of information?
Are you aware that that statement has almost no meaning and is still totally irrelevant to the issue or topic?
Do you understand that the "information" is simply the chemical and physical properties?
Are you aware that it is totally irrelevant whether a scientist is secular or religious?
And until you present evidence that actually has something to do with the topic and at a level at least equal to the evidence presented in the OP, Creationism and Intelligent Design will simply remain the laughingstock creations of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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Message 338 of 377 (608665)
03-12-2011 11:48 AM
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03-12-2011 11:46 AM


havoc writes:
What's more, it is the ONLY option that is available.
Faith statement?
Of course not, fact statement.
Until you present evidence that actually has something to do with the topic and at a level at least equal to the evidence presented in the OP, Creationism and Intelligent Design will simply remain the laughingstock creations of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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Message 343 of 377 (608671)
03-12-2011 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by havoc
03-12-2011 11:43 AM


Re: Design Evidence
havoc writes:
And you knew that there were countless Christian scientists who support evolution? But you still wrote as if scientists were all godless infidels? That, again, would make you a pathetic and disgusting liar. I guess that's what you must be. A liar for Jesus. Another one. Because Jesus loved liars.
So why do these scientists claim to be Christian? By your definition they don’t believe half the bible why do you consider them Christian? Or are you misleading people with your description here. Would that make you a liar for Darwin’s sake? Attacking people like this does not bolster your argument. Quite the contrary, it makes you sound like a 5 year old.
Almost all of the recognized major Christian sects have no problems with either the fact of Evolution or the Theory of Evolution.
This is not a secular vs religious issue except when some (usually a minor Christian) sect make it an issue.
Of course, that also is totally unrelated to the topic of this thread.
We are still waiting for some supporter of Special Creation or Intelligent Design to present evidence in support of their assertions comparable to the level of evidence presented in support of the examples in the OP.

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jar
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Message 351 of 377 (608681)
03-12-2011 1:54 PM


Summary
We have been able to identify many examples of artifacts that are the result of an entity interfering or influencing the world around it. In each case it has been possible to identify both the entity and the methodology that could be used.
For termite mounds we have verified that there are termites, that they live in the mounds and that they construct the mounds by moving, rearranging and cementing grains of sand/dirt/mud to create the mounds.
For Stonehenge we have verified that there are humans, that there were humans at the time of its construction, where the materials came from and ways they could have been shaped and placed. We have also been able to show that the complex itself evolved as earlier structures were built, torn down, rearranged and moved.
We can identify human artifacts such as arrowheads, pottery, even cooking stones and also point to the methods for the creation and use of the artifacts.
Until those marketing the ideas of Special Creation or Intelligent Design can produce similar levels of evidence, produce evidence that the interfering/influencing agent actually exists and the methodology that that agent could use to effect the changes, Special Creation and Intelligent Design will remain relatively worthless and certainly useless sideshows.

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Message 354 of 377 (608687)
03-12-2011 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 352 by Percy
03-12-2011 2:23 PM


Re: Design Evidence
The earlier Cole IIRC was a WWI-WWII destroyer.

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Message 368 of 377 (608754)
03-13-2011 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 364 by Buzsaw
03-13-2011 8:56 AM


Yes, it seems there is an Knowledge Gap
Buzsaw writes:
I was hoping, before the closing of the thread, I'd get some response to my Message 33, culminating an exchange between Fearandloathing and me concerning the huge intelligence gap observed, relating to humans and other creatures. I alluded to evidence that throughout human history, mankind has ruled over the brute beasts as per Genesis.
No gap between other species even approaches the gap between humans and other creatures, relative to reasoning, creativity, logic, spiritual, control, travel, and cultural, etc.
I see this as evidence of design attested to by recorded history.
You can follow the short debate between us to follow it.
It is NOT evidence of design Buz. Once again you simply show everyone that you are clueless what evidence really is.
If you want that to be evidence of design you must at least provide levels of evidence comparable to what is presented in the OP. Show use verifiable evidence that the entity doing the design exists and the model/methods used by that entity to effect change.
Edited by jar, : fix subtitle

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