General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List')

Moose, this latest suspension of Jar is just plain wrong.You know I love you, Moose, so please take this as constructive.No apologies are necessary. You did what you did for the reasons you stated.But, in the grand tradition of all things human you erred. You were terribly wrong on this one.An immediate lifting of the ban and a rescission of the suspension message is in order.

So be it.

Percy,I bring up an issue that I feel needs the attention of the Head Master at this institution.We have seen moderators go in and hide messages, delete messages and banner messages as Off Topic. This is entirely appropriate and your crew here does a good job of keeping this herd of cats from getting too far out into la-la land.We have seen moderators go in and try to cleanup, linefeed and make paragraphs out of some of those awful solid pages of text that some submit in hope of, and fail in, communicating with other human beings. This is also a good thing and much appreciated.Now, this is trivial in action but leads to a greater issue.A moderator came into one of my posts and made a simple, trivial, capitalization change. Without my permission. Without my knowledge!Why?If this trivial change is within the moderators' purview then what other changes are the moderators free to make? Do the moderators have the freedom to make whatever changes they so choose to any post on the forum? Are there any limits? Is there some line drawn somewhere we do not know about?This issue should never have come about.First, EVC standards are intellectually well above the normal forum offerings on the Internet. As such this community has an expectation that members will, for the most part, make use of proper syntax and technical rules to facilitate communication. We also have the expectation of violating some rules for written and technical flexibility. Especially for those of us who understand the nuance involved and can recognize and make use of such devices.Second, we have an expectation of propriety, that our posts (errors, warts and all) will be faithfully conveyed to the community as we intend.Outside a required moderator action or the occasion of complete communication failure, our expectation is that no quarter should be given for any moderator to make any change to any of our messages at any time, ever!Questions:Are these expectations out of bounds? Do these moderator actions fit with your view of the community you have built here?Edited by AZPaul3, : emphasis

Yes, I understand that. And it was trivial, not substantive, in nature.But that isn't the point, is it?You do know what the point is, don't you Moose? You're laughing at your silly prank? Shoot yourself in the foot much?You do not understand the gravity of the situation at all, do you?

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I understand this, Chuck77, and agree with your opinion.All is good.

I don't see it. What the hell did Coyote do?No disrespect or personal attacks on others. No misrepresentation. No abusive language. And quite "on-topic" given the circumstance of his view. No forum violations.What is this all about? Something personal?

We do not know if this is correct or not. If this is the reason then it is an awfully weak one and should be rejected.Some kind of explanation should have accompanied the suspension. Without some explanation from Moose, however, we have no idea why this action was taken. This is disturbing.

Oh come on, jar. They rut. That's why we call it "rutting" season, remember? Duh.

I can accept this as your motivation, Moose, though I disagree with its reasoning. You are the Admin and so it is.Two problems with this.First, if this motivation is the key, with this heavy a penalty, then it should be part of the forum rules. It is not.Second, that this motivation can just as well be served by posting a banner, like the OFF-TOPIC banner, on the offending post with a 24-hour suspension for repeat offenders. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Thank you, Moose.

spam Spam in Proposed New Topics.Catchy title: sdgjdshguj jgbuDBIASLooks extraterrestrial to me.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Did Cat Sci just role the odometer on his EvC?I think he did!Congrats, Cat!Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

I don’t know, Theo. Hugging trees is not a good thing. You get dirt, grime, insects, sap all over your shirt and pants.And before you hug a tree do you even ask first? You just go slobber your skin grease, germs and dead skin cells all over them?Besides, around here if you try to hug a tree their spikes stick you and make you bleed. Saguaro don’t like being hugged. They take to bleeding a liberal heart seriously.

Thank you.Now what about the other 300,000,000? Is that next week?