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Author Topic:   On Transitional Species (SUMMATION MESSAGES ONLY)
Dr Adequate
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Message 174 of 314 (606735)
02-28-2011 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Robert Byers
02-28-2011 4:05 AM


Re: Exceptio Probat Regulam
Well you keep coming back that present features of bodies are the vestigial remains of the previous type of body .
No, I keep pointing out that most of them aren't vestigial and explaining why this is what the theory predicts.
Then i add that its unreasonable, unlikely, impossible that in all the evolution claimed to have taken place there is almost no remnants of previous bodies in living/fossil creatures.
And we point out that you are ludicrously wrong both about what the theory predicts and about what is observed. And then you repeat yourself some more.
You don't seem to have an argument so much as an ide fixe.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 179 of 314 (606799)
02-28-2011 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by Bolder-dash
02-28-2011 10:04 AM


Re: Exceptio Probat Regulam
You are wrong once again Percy. The purpose of the appendix has been known for some time. It is a storage area for helpful bacteria in the digestive tract.
So, we'll add "vestigial" to the list of scientific terms you don't understand, then?
I guess since you don't know about this, you also don't know that science still does not have a shred of evidence to support your speculation that small random mutations can add up in complexity to form larger functioning systems. Not any evidence at all.
The only thing scientific about your theory is that it can't be demonstrated or verified scientifically.
"On topic" seems to be another concept you don't seem to have grasped yet. Are you going to spam every thread with this nonsense? Why don't you address the replies you've already been given in other threads where it's at least tangentially relevant.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 201 of 314 (607322)
03-03-2011 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Robert Byers
03-03-2011 3:32 AM


Re: Kind of The Point ....
A notion ain't evidence.
No, the evidence for the notion is evidence. For the notion.
in fact in order to discover species flowing into/out of each other over time is founded not on biology but presumptions that geology shows this time too have taken place.
If you rewrote that in meaningful English, it would still be wrong.
there is not biological evidence for evolution.
Biologists disagree. Perhaps you should think about why.

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Message 225 of 314 (607631)
03-05-2011 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 223 by Kaichos Man
03-05-2011 9:43 AM


Re: Exceptio Probat Regulam
I have to disagree with you there. If they have a useful function then they are as much a candidate for design as descent, as I pointed out in my previous post. It is only a "fact" that they're diminished in structure and function from their original form if you take evolution as a given, which is begging the question.
It is however a fact that they look exactly like this is what has happened whether or not you "take evolution as a given". And after 150 years we are still awaiting a creationist explanation.
As Darwin pointed out, the wings of an ostrich are not entirely useless to it --- but it can't fly with them. The question is, why are they so structurally similar to features which in birds that can fly seem so well-adapted to flight? Whatever their function in the ostrich, was it really the best design, the one God would have come up with, to adapt structures used for flight for this purpose, thus incidentally producing a meretricious appearance of evolution?
Apparently you have to say "yes" to this and every similar question. But doesn't it strike you as odd that the best design is always the one that would be produced by evolution?
Perhaps we should divert this conversation to the thread on "animals with bad design", since we seem to be having essentially the same conversation twice in parallel.

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Message 277 of 314 (609029)
03-16-2011 3:41 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Robert Byers
03-16-2011 2:42 AM


Re: Kind of The Point ....
Darwin INSISTED that without the presumptions of geology a reader was wasting his time reading his books on evolution.
Quote, please.
if the fossil record did not show time sequences and so claimed biological sequences evolutionism would hardly have anything to talk about regarding evidence.
Apart from biogeography, genetics, morphology, embryology, behavioral ecology ...
Remember that when Darwin wrote there was no known case of an intermediate form in the fossil record. Yet he managed to figure it out.
I think i'm right here.
Sometimes self-confidence is not an admirable trait.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 278 of 314 (609030)
03-16-2011 3:42 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Robert Byers
03-16-2011 2:56 AM


Re: Kind of The Point ....
The operative word is ONCE. if not alive and stripped down to mere bone/cast of bone one has no biology anymore.
biology is about the glorious biological systems of living life. its not about mere remains from simple bone creations. The creatures are dead because of the ending of biological systems and their complete decay.
You are not doing biology in studying fossils.
You are simply drawing conclusions about former biological systems located in individual creatures.
comparing anatomy, by way of fossils, is just comparing a special case of bone material remains. its not biology or zoology .
Why do you think it is?
biology demand tools and opportunity to examine actual biological life.
evolution has never done this relative to its great claims.
Casts of skeletons of former life in rock strata claims of progressive time intervals can not invoke the prestige of biologists who deal with life systems before our eyes.
This is a logical flaw of evolution in any claim of using biological evidence.
It is possible that biologists have a better grasp of what biology is than you do.
Clearly evidence concerning past species is information about biology. Is it not a statement about biology to say that (for example) stegosaurs once lived and roamed the earth? To say what they ate and what preyed on them? How they walked? How they cared for their eggs? These are essentially biological questions.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 279 of 314 (609031)
03-16-2011 3:48 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by Robert Byers
03-16-2011 2:28 AM


Re: Prestin -changeo
Well they said genes were the same on important points about sonar for bats and whales etc.
Where "they" are journalists who wouldn't recognize a gene if it bit them in the butt.
this still is a great point for like mechanism equals like genetic score and so its a later adaptation and its from innate triggers in the body and not wild mutation chances.
So would you accept all the massive differences in the sonar mechanisms as being evidence against ... er ... whatever it is you're talking about?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 289 of 314 (609151)
03-17-2011 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 286 by Robert Byers
03-17-2011 1:15 AM


Re: Kind of The Point ....
Yet its not biology. Its just questions about some critter.
The key word being "critter". How can questions about a "critter" not be biological questions?
Biology isn't being done where geology and casts therein are the only things to be studied.
I think I'll let biologists tell me when biology is being done, thank you.

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