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Author Topic:   General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List')
ringo
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Message 106 of 1043 (608931)
03-15-2011 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by New Cat's Eye
03-15-2011 11:05 AM


Re: Hey idiots
Hey, calling people idiots is a violation of the Forum Guidelines:

quote:
Always treat other members with respect.


If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate
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AZPaul3
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Message 107 of 1043 (608946)
03-15-2011 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Adminnemooseus
03-14-2011 7:54 PM


Re: Hey idiots
Moose, this latest suspension of Jar is just plain wrong.

You know I love you, Moose, so please take this as constructive.

No apologies are necessary. You did what you did for the reasons you stated.

But, in the grand tradition of all things human you erred. You were terribly wrong on this one.

An immediate lifting of the ban and a rescission of the suspension message is in order.


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bluegenes
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Message 108 of 1043 (608951)
03-15-2011 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by ringo
03-15-2011 11:23 AM


Re: Hey idiots
Who's calling people idiots? Has someone lost his head? Who does he think he is? Einstein?

I recall that the last time there was a Moose/Jar incident, Onifre took it to the humour thread. Message 353

Maybe we should take the discussion there.


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crashfrog
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Message 109 of 1043 (608954)
03-15-2011 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by AZPaul3
03-15-2011 1:25 PM


From the AZPaul3 files of "How to respond to criticisms of moderator behavior"
Moose, this latest suspension of Jar is just plain wrong.
You know I love you, Moose, so please take this as constructive.

quote:
You have a hard-on for the moderation style on this forum, don't you? They didn't react the way you think they should. You see the near unanimity of the moderators' opinions against you as some kind of conspiracy. That's fine. You are entitled to your opinion.

I'm not looking forward to your inevitable suspension, AZPaul, but you need to understand that's the consequence for respectfully, constructively criticizing moderator actions.


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AZPaul3
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Message 110 of 1043 (608955)
03-15-2011 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by crashfrog
03-15-2011 1:55 PM


Re: From the AZPaul3 files of "How to respond to criticisms of moderator behavior"
I'm not looking forward to your inevitable suspension, AZPaul, but you need to understand that's the consequence for respectfully, constructively criticizing moderator actions.

So be it.


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Omnivorous
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Message 111 of 1043 (609669)
03-22-2011 7:36 AM


Moose Didn't Know + Brevity = Suspension
There is a lot I don't like about the nature of a lot of Jar's messages. But what has resulted in two suspension are "bare links without even having links" type messages. I, and probably most everyone else, needed to Google Jar's supplied phrase to find out what he is talking about. Not proper debate message content and it is a forum rule violation (rule 5).

Poppycock.


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Percy
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Message 112 of 1043 (609678)
03-22-2011 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Omnivorous
03-22-2011 7:36 AM


Re: Moose Didn't Know + Brevity = Suspension
brinksmanship

--Percy


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jar
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Message 113 of 1043 (609683)
03-22-2011 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Omnivorous
03-22-2011 7:36 AM


Re: Moose Didn't Know + Brevity = Suspension
What a teacher tells you and what YOU learn on your own are quite different. Those that did not know about the Canary Island threat and did take the effort to look it up will very likely retain the knowledge far longer than those who were simply instructed.

The Coffee House is a place for discussion, not debate.

I personally find succinct preferable to verbose and brevity preferable to endless banter.

It looks like I helped a Moose learn two new things, and honestly, teaching an old moose new things is something to really be proud of.

So now I will attempt to teach an old Moose yet another new thing.

Posts that do not contain links cannot be a violation of Rule 5 that prohibits bare links.

Let me repeat this for the old Moose.

A post that does not have any links in it cannot be said to have bare links.

Next trite and without substance. I'm not quite sure how a blackout that effected much of the Northeast US and lots of Canada could be considered trite or without substance. Also, calling a potential tsunami that would effect all of the East coast of the US and Canada as well as parts of South America and Europe trite seems to me to be understating the issue.

Finally, let me address the fact that the posts were short, one liners.

In the first instance I was responding to a one line message, in the latter though I was responding to a multi-line post I will admit. Perhaps Mark Twain was wrong and I should use the word Metropolis even though I get paid the same for city.

However both posts were on topic, pertinent, introduced information that at least one Moose did not know or did not recognize.

Over the years I have had lot's of suspensions, a few that I even thought were deserved, but only once was I prouder of any suspensions than of these two. Fortunately or unfortunately, the number of suspensions still lags behind the number of POTMs, but I will try to build towards a balance.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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arachnophilia
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Message 114 of 1043 (609742)
03-22-2011 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by jar
03-22-2011 10:52 AM


Re: Moose Didn't Know + Brevity = Suspension
tl;dr.


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Straggler
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Message 115 of 1043 (609743)
03-22-2011 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by jar
03-22-2011 10:52 AM


Re: Moose Didn't Know + Brevity = Suspension
jar writes:

Fortunately or unfortunately, the number of suspensions still lags behind the number of POTMs, but I will try to build towards a balance.

Very droll.........

But - You genuinely keep count......?


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jar
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Message 116 of 1043 (609744)
03-22-2011 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Straggler
03-22-2011 7:09 PM


Re: Moose Didn't Know + Brevity = Suspension
Straggler writes:

jar writes:

Fortunately or unfortunately, the number of suspensions still lags behind the number of POTMs, but I will try to build towards a balance.

Very droll.........

But - You genuinely keep count......?

No need to count yet. POTMs are a dime a dozen it seems. Hell I think I've even gotten POTMs for links to old posts that got POTMs.

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Straggler
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Message 117 of 1043 (609746)
03-22-2011 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by jar
03-22-2011 7:13 PM


Re: Moose Didn't Know + Brevity = Suspension
jar writes:

Hell I think I've even gotten POTMs for links to old posts that got POTMs.

Ah! So that is how it is done.....!!


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arachnophilia
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Message 118 of 1043 (609748)
03-22-2011 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by jar
03-22-2011 7:13 PM


Re: Moose Didn't Know + Brevity = Suspension
jar writes:

No need to count yet. POTMs are a dime a dozen it seems. Hell I think I've even gotten POTMs for links to old posts that got POTMs.

i think this is my new debate strategy. i think my discussion with ICANT is starting to consist of approximately 95% links to (and quotes from) messages i've already posted in the thread.


אָרַח

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 119 of 1043 (609754)
03-22-2011 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Omnivorous
03-22-2011 7:36 AM


Re: Moose Didn't Know + Brevity = Suspension
pogue mahone
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Tram law
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Message 120 of 1043 (612716)
04-17-2011 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by jar
03-22-2011 10:52 AM


Re: Moose Didn't Know + Brevity = Suspension
jar writes:

What a teacher tells you and what YOU learn on your own are quite different. Those that did not know about the Canary Island threat and did take the effort to look it up will very likely retain the knowledge far longer than those who were simply instructed.

The Coffee House is a place for discussion, not debate.

I personally find succinct preferable to verbose and brevity preferable to endless banter.

It looks like I helped a Moose learn two new things, and honestly, teaching an old moose new things is something to really be proud of.

So now I will attempt to teach an old Moose yet another new thing.

Posts that do not contain links cannot be a violation of Rule 5 that prohibits bare links.

Let me repeat this for the old Moose.

A post that does not have any links in it cannot be said to have bare links.

Next trite and without substance. I'm not quite sure how a blackout that effected much of the Northeast US and lots of Canada could be considered trite or without substance. Also, calling a potential tsunami that would effect all of the East coast of the US and Canada as well as parts of South America and Europe trite seems to me to be understating the issue.

Finally, let me address the fact that the posts were short, one liners.

In the first instance I was responding to a one line message, in the latter though I was responding to a multi-line post I will admit. Perhaps Mark Twain was wrong and I should use the word Metropolis even though I get paid the same for city.

However both posts were on topic, pertinent, introduced information that at least one Moose did not know or did not recognize.

Over the years I have had lot's of suspensions, a few that I even thought were deserved, but only once was I prouder of any suspensions than of these two. Fortunately or unfortunately, the number of suspensions still lags behind the number of POTMs, but I will try to build towards a balance.

The following question refers to the bolded part:

So what is the difference between discussion and debate?


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