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Taq
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Message 106 of 440 (610589)
03-31-2011 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Phage0070
03-31-2011 11:15 AM


Re: Proactive Health Care
Furthermore, you pointed out that renting a decent apartment at $700 a month was apparently worth more than obtaining health insurance. You could perhaps find a tiny terrible apartment at maybe $300 a month (a single room rat-trap probably) and not have to worry about your child dying to the flu. But no, a choice was made there.
There is the Republican Healthcare plan. Can you tell us why middle class America should support such a plan? Can you tell us how this plan benefits middle class americans and supports their families?
Insurance is pooling a steady stream of income to offset a risk which can be mitigated by financial aid. Those who contribute are eligible to draw from the pooled funds should some relatively rare event occur. The entire system depends on most contributors not using as much money as they pay in, but rather offsetting the risk of a possible payment they wouldn't be able to cover on their own.
It isn't just sticking your hand into other people's pockets without contributing yourself. Crashfrog, you fucking moron.
You left out the part where the insurance companies pull out money from this pool for profit. That is the whole reason that insurance plans exist, to produce profit for the insurance comapny. So I guess Republicans have no problem with insurance companies sticking their hands into the pockets of americans and providing zero health care for the money they take, but it is a sin to have the government take money out of the pockets of individuals and use all of it for health care.
What conservatives always want to hide is the fact that insurance companies provide ZERO healthcare. Hospitals supply healthcare, not insurance companies. Insurance is nothing more than a middle man who takes his cut. If anything, private health insurance is a barrier between patients and healthcare.
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Rahvin
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Message 107 of 440 (610590)
03-31-2011 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Taq
03-31-2011 1:40 PM


Re: Proactive Health Care
What conservatives always want to hide is the fact that insurance companies provide ZERO healthcare. Hospitals supply healthcare, not insurance companies. Insurance is nothing more than a middle man who takes his cut. If anything, private health insurance is a barrier between patients and healthcare.
More than that, they have every incentive to deny coverage regardless of how much it's needed. Premiums are all that matters, it's the entirety of their profit. Every time they pay for care, it subtracts from the bottom line.
How messed up would it be if the fire department could make more profit by not putting out fires? That's the system we have right now for healthcare, and anyone who pretends otherwise is an idiot.

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hooah212002
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Message 108 of 440 (610593)
03-31-2011 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taq
03-28-2011 8:56 PM


I think we need to recruit a few more right wingers here to EvC. These two need assistance from the barrage of us socialist commies.
Just to add a little more substance to this otherwise substance-less post, IMO your average republican voting american does so on the basis of the party's promise to keep taxes low and the government out of their life, and not much else. All the while spreading disinformation about "the other guys". This is spread by shouting louder than the other team and shutting down opposing views (NPR, anyone?). It's just that so many only see one side and believe what they see on their favorite news channel. Granted, none of this actually tells us why we, as knowledgeable individuals who do NOT succumb to the bullshit, should vote that way. But then again, free-thinkers are an unwelcome bunch on the right.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Theodoric
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Message 109 of 440 (610595)
03-31-2011 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by hooah212002
03-31-2011 2:14 PM


I think we need to recruit a few more right wingers here to EvC. These two need assistance from the barrage of us socialist commies.
Well all they have are talking points and propaganda. When their arguments are actually scrutinized they invariably fall apart. Then they run for the hills, or whine and complain.
Is there a way I can link to the above message and have the words "whine and complain" as the highlighted link? Like we can do with URL.
"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert, White House Correspondents' Association Dinner, 4/29/2006
Edited by Theodoric, : Link changed

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Dr Adequate
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Message 110 of 440 (610598)
03-31-2011 2:38 PM
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03-31-2011 2:14 PM


I think we need to recruit a few more right wingers here to EvC. These two need assistance from the barrage of us socialist commies.
How about Buzsaw, then?
Just to add a little more substance to this otherwise substance-less post, IMO your average republican voting american does so on the basis of the party's promise to keep taxes low and the government out of their life, and not much else.
Something that they have failed to actually do.
The one promise they can keep is that if you elect them, then Evil Democrat Death Panels won't take your guns and use them to abort your babies. This is one reason why their propaganda relies so heavily on demonizing the opposition, because they can sincerely promise to be better than the boogieman.
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Message 111 of 440 (610600)
03-31-2011 2:41 PM
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03-31-2011 2:28 PM


Waaaaaaaaaa!
Check out Phage's account subtext - it now says "inactive member." Looks like the poor widdle Randroid baby ran away because we called him on his bullshit.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 112 of 440 (610601)
03-31-2011 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Theodoric
03-31-2011 2:28 PM


Is there a way I can link to the above message and have the words "whine and complain" as the highlighted link? Like we can do with URL.
[url=www.link.com]text you want others to see[/url]

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Theodoric
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Message 113 of 440 (610602)
03-31-2011 2:49 PM
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03-31-2011 2:46 PM


Does each particular msg have a URL assigned to it? I don't see how the url command can link to a particular msg.

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Theodoric
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Message 114 of 440 (610604)
03-31-2011 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Rahvin
03-31-2011 2:41 PM


Re: Waaaaaaaaaa!
Wow. I guess he is having a pity party. This tends to happen when right wingers and teabaggers are confronted with facts.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Dr Adequate
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Message 115 of 440 (610605)
03-31-2011 3:04 PM
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03-31-2011 2:49 PM


Does each particular msg have a URL assigned to it? I don't see how the url command can link to a particular msg.
Yes. For example, this message will have a thing at the bottom saying "This is a reply to message 113 by Theodoric". If you click on where it says "message 113" it will take you to your post, and if you look at the url at the top of your browser you will see that it now specifies the message number, like this:
EvC Forum: How Does Republican Platform Help Middle Class?
"m=610605" specifies the message number.
Linking to that url will take people directly to your post.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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fearandloathing
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Message 116 of 440 (610607)
03-31-2011 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Rahvin
03-31-2011 2:41 PM


Re: Waaaaaaaaaa!
Rahvin writes:
Check out Phage's account subtext - it now says "inactive member." Looks like the poor widdle Randroid baby ran away because we called him on his bullshit.
I wanted to respond to him several times, but everyone else was doing soo much better than the things were popping into my mind. All I could think of was four letter words with a fine helping of moron, stupid elitist...ect...
I am self-employed, somewhat, and I cant afford insurance either. Health care is one of the main reasons I have parted with most of my republican shortcomings. I have done ok in years past and I am sad to say that I used to have similar feelings as phage, I was wrong. Now I struggle just to get by. I let a car get repossessed becuase I can no longer afford it. I am only a short step from needing a little help myself and can see the need for many social programs now more then ever.
I guess the republicans would have me sell my home and live off that money, then go to homeless shelter. I see no glimmer of hope for anyone in the middle class from anything the republicans offer.

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Theodoric
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Message 117 of 440 (610608)
03-31-2011 3:06 PM
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03-31-2011 3:04 PM


Ahh. I knew that. I must be experiencing some sort of mental block.
As I tell my wife all the time.
I AM almost 50.

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Taq
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Message 118 of 440 (610609)
03-31-2011 3:06 PM
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03-31-2011 2:14 PM


I think we need to recruit a few more right wingers here to EvC. These two need assistance from the barrage of us socialist commies.
I tried to word the OP in a way to at least give them a chance. All I asked is to show us how Republican policies benefit the middle class. What we got was the exact opposite. All we are told is how helping the middle class through social programs is a bad thing, and that protecting the money of the wealthy is the top priority. I was at least hoping for an argument that Republicans want to help the middle class. Perhaps I hoped for too much.

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Message 119 of 440 (610611)
03-31-2011 3:20 PM
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03-31-2011 3:06 PM


I don't really pay attention to politics... I don't consider myself a Republican, but I do fall on the right side of the political compass.
I think the most honest answer, from me, to your questions of how the Republicans help the middle class, is by keeping the other guys from hurting us.
They'd get the "not-them" vote.

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Taq
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Message 120 of 440 (610615)
03-31-2011 3:37 PM
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03-31-2011 3:20 PM


I think the most honest answer, from me, to your questions of how the Republicans help the middle class, is by keeping the other guys from hurting us.
This is definitely a move in a positive direction. Thanks CS!!
So what are these policies, and what harm are they preventing?

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