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Message 49 of 440 (610367)
03-29-2011 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Coyote
03-29-2011 12:14 AM


Re: Socialism?
How about the politicians who passed legislation requiring banks to give loans to any warm body in the name of "diversity?"
I guarantee that you can not back this bullshit up with facts. Also, those programs did not cause the bank meltdowns. Unless you can show evidence of that, then it is all bullshit. Do you actually know anything about the community reinvestment act? Do you know about the predatory lending practices lots of banks used to take advantage of this?

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Theodoric
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Message 50 of 440 (610368)
03-29-2011 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Coyote
03-29-2011 12:45 AM


Communism, socialism, chavez, cuba? what next
No wonder you want the coffeehouse shut down. You can not make an intelligent argument on politics. All we see in you posts on politics is your wingnuttery and lame rethug talking points. You might want to actually look at the real facts.
Beck lies and Fox is propaganda. I suggest you expand your sources of news and information.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 51 of 440 (610369)
03-29-2011 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Coyote
03-29-2011 12:18 AM


Re: Socialism?
Argentina? Chavez? WTF.
You might want to at least get the country right. I do not think Argentina is socialist.

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Message 67 of 440 (610533)
03-30-2011 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by jar
03-30-2011 8:02 PM


Re: Proactive Health Care
It can only raise healthcare costs. The person that dies from a fatal heart attack will no longer incur health care costs.
Not necessarily. Do you have any idea how much effort is used(wasted) in the US to bring back someone that is effectively dead? I imagine a heart attack, even fatal, incurs a huge amount of costs.

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Theodoric
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Message 98 of 440 (610579)
03-31-2011 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Phage0070
03-31-2011 9:50 AM


Re: Proactive Health Care
And why exactly did you have 2 car payments? Why didn't you carpool together?
Classic right wing crap. Why doens't everyone live and have a life like me.
I am not sure of hooah's situation, but from your comment I assume you know nothing about life in America outside of suburbia and the urban areas. A lot of people need cars to perform their jobs, no matter how low paying they are.
Where I live, for most families 2 vehicles are a necessary. Not everyone works in areas where a lot of other people work. Car pooling is not a magic bullet in most of America. Your condescension and lack of ability to see that others may have lives vastly different than yours is astounding.

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Message 105 of 440 (610587)
03-31-2011 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Taq
03-31-2011 1:31 PM


Re: Proactive Health Care
If the Republican philosophy is correct where it concerns healtcare how long will it be before that same philosophy is applied to other social programs such as schools, roads, Medicare, etc.?
Now is when. Look at what is passing through congress right now.

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Message 109 of 440 (610595)
03-31-2011 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by hooah212002
03-31-2011 2:14 PM


I think we need to recruit a few more right wingers here to EvC. These two need assistance from the barrage of us socialist commies.
Well all they have are talking points and propaganda. When their arguments are actually scrutinized they invariably fall apart. Then they run for the hills, or whine and complain.
Is there a way I can link to the above message and have the words "whine and complain" as the highlighted link? Like we can do with URL.
"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert, White House Correspondents' Association Dinner, 4/29/2006
Edited by Theodoric, : Link changed

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Theodoric
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Message 113 of 440 (610602)
03-31-2011 2:49 PM
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03-31-2011 2:46 PM


Does each particular msg have a URL assigned to it? I don't see how the url command can link to a particular msg.

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Theodoric
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Message 114 of 440 (610604)
03-31-2011 3:02 PM
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03-31-2011 2:41 PM


Re: Waaaaaaaaaa!
Wow. I guess he is having a pity party. This tends to happen when right wingers and teabaggers are confronted with facts.

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Message 117 of 440 (610608)
03-31-2011 3:06 PM
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03-31-2011 3:04 PM


Ahh. I knew that. I must be experiencing some sort of mental block.
As I tell my wife all the time.
I AM almost 50.

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Theodoric
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Message 128 of 440 (610641)
03-31-2011 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by New Cat's Eye
03-31-2011 5:17 PM


Being near St. Louis, I get to compare two different states, Missouri the Red state, and Illinois the Blue state. If you go to the unemployment office in Missouri, they explain to you how you are going to have to be actively seeking employment and they want to see lists of companies and contacts that you're making in that search or your not going to get the benefits. If you go to the unemployment office in Illinois, they teach you how to fill out the forms in a way that it looks like your seeking employment, regardless of if you are or not, so that you can more easily receive the benefits.
Any evidence for this assertion? Sounds like right wing folklore to me.

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Theodoric
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Message 129 of 440 (610643)
03-31-2011 5:41 PM
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03-31-2011 5:17 PM


Just looked at both states websites. They both have a requirement that you keep a record of your work search.
This also goes to the right wing myth that the unemployed are jsut lazy dead beats that don't want to work. I have collected unemployment benefits twice in my life. I worked hard finding a new job. I think it is safe to say the vast majority of people on unemployment want to get off unemployment and get a new job.
Do you really think people want to live below poverty level?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 136 of 440 (610681)
03-31-2011 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by New Cat's Eye
03-31-2011 5:47 PM


I also described two different types of "the unemployed".
No you didn't you just said that Illinois does not make people look for work but Missouri does. You have provided no evidence so your personal anecdote is worthless.
Have you gotten unemployment benefits in both states? If so why do you assume that the difference is because of a red state, blue state thing? That sure seems a lot like a huge leap to me. Maybe it was the particular person you dealt with. But probably has nothing to do with republican/democrat, even if it is true.
You're just looking for anything that might be an error on my part.
No. I am pointing out that your personal anecdotes have no weight.
You're not constructively discussing.
I think pointing out flaws in someones argument is very constructive.
This is why I think your an idiot.
Yet again your opinions mean nothing when we are discussing fact.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 142 of 440 (610710)
03-31-2011 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by ZenMonkey
03-31-2011 7:51 PM


Re: One thing.
In small towns like mine it is the local tax payers.
The ultimate outcome of this is a third world nation. The wealthy suburban areas will keep a low to moderate tax burden, while rural and non-wealthy areas will see a huge local tax burden. Then services will be curtailed in the non-wealthy areas. This will lead to a huge increase in crime and poverty.
I spend some time in South Africa, I think that is what we will see USA resembling in a decade if we allow these policies to continue.

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Theodoric
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Message 164 of 440 (610945)
04-03-2011 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by marc9000
04-03-2011 5:55 PM


In the 1970’s before the EPA was 10 years old, it shut down a U.S. Steel plant in Gary Indiana, putting those steel employees out of work.
Really?
The Gary plant is still producing steel.

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