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jar Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Why?
Does diabetes usually kill before puberty? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Taq Member Posts: 10299 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Why? Does diabetes usually kill before puberty? Juvenile type I diabetes does.
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jar Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sometimes, but it is also often not even detected until a child is in there teens or a young adult. And that is today with the modern healthcare and diagnosis.
I see no reason that even Juvenile Type 1 diabetes could not be passed on genetically. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tanus Junior Member (Idle past 4846 days) Posts: 17 Joined: |
My thought on this question is that selection is still very much in play today. Some people have children while others do not and some people are still more desirable partners than others. If you survive long enough to have children, if you succeed in having children, and if your children have children, then you are an evolutionary success, otherwise you are a failure.
As a first simple thought, those in our society are wealthy are probably being selected for ultimate success. The traits that make someone wealthy and produce children will most likely be selected for, while the traits that make someone poor and without children will be selected against. Are things like economics natural selection? Who in the world believes that humanity is somehow above nature? Our wars and our economic injustices are evolution at work.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3923 days) Posts: 2822 Joined:
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quote: A far more vital question hovers. Are other life forms also going to advance as has humans? Why has only one life form attained a higher brain and speech - the most powerful tools a life form can possess? This says a life form [species] follows its own kind, and is not fundamentally impacted by evolution but the directive program transmitted by the host parents. The question becomes all the more impacting when we consider other life forms have the advantage of time - they had all the time to advance further, if not in the path of humans, then in other equally advanced paths. What we find instead, is that all life forms, despite their difference in skeletal designs, advance in one path with a common denominator, while humans have taken a singular, unique different path, one different in kind: the ratio is all trillions of life forms VS one human kind. If evolution impacts all life - this impact is not the factor applying with humans. The math says so.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
A far more vital question hovers. Are other life forms also going to advance as has humans? Why has only one life form attained a higher brain and speech - the most powerful tools a life form can possess? This says a life form [species] follows its own kind, and is not fundamentally impacted by evolution but the directive program transmitted by the host parents. Orthogenesis? In this day and age? In that case, perhaps you could clear up something that I wanted to ask one of you guys --- how in the world can you reconcile orthogenesis with adaptive radiation?
If evolution impacts all life - this impact is not the factor applying with humans. The math says so. Curiously enough, you have omitted to include any math in your post.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
As a first simple thought, those in our society are wealthy are probably being selected for ultimate success. The traits that make someone wealthy and produce children will most likely be selected for ... But being wealthy is not a genetic trait. Wealth is inherited, to be sure, but not in one's DNA.
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Wounded King Member (Idle past 288 days) Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Why has only one life form attained a higher brain and speech - the most powerful tools a life form can possess? This says a life form [species] follows its own kind, and is not fundamentally impacted by evolution but the directive program transmitted by the host parents. In what way does it say that? As far as I can see it is a complete non sequitur. Unless you choose to completely ignore reality you can't escape the fact that the genetic 'program' passed from parents to offspring is modified and therefore susceptible to change and a suitable substrate for evolution. I'd also question your criteria for saying that speech and a complex brain are the most powerful tools a life form can possess. It seems very anthropocentric, essentially saying 'What we do best must be the most important things, because we are the most important things". Going by most biological criteria for success, population size, rate of growth and adaptability many bacterial species, nematodes and probably some insect ones have us beat. TTFN, WK
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3923 days) Posts: 2822 Joined:
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quote: If you refer to what is described as a life form harbouring an inner force which makes it advance, which challenges natural selection [external environmental impacts]. Both appear fantastical and fail when the seed factor is considered. Regardless of any other proposed factor, the transmitted data from the host parents rules: try and evidence any case without it!
quote: Did you not notice the ratio factors given: all trillions of life forms VS 1? And the time factor as well? Here's another math busting factor for you: An on-going prowess is not affected by time. We should see all life forms older than humans to be more advanced - but this is not the case. It is proof the host seed rules! These are the reasons I see great wisdom in Genesis - from a science, not theological, POV. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
If you refer to what is described as a life form harbouring an inner force which makes it advance, which challenges natural selection [external environmental impacts]. Both appear fantastical and fail when the seed factor is considered. Regardless of any other proposed factor, the transmitted data from the host parents rules: try and evidence any case without it! Please answer my question.
Did you not notice the ratio factors given: all trillions of life forms VS 1? And the time factor as well? Here's another math busting factor for you: An on-going prowess is not affected by time. We should see all life forms older than humans to be more advanced - but this is not the case. It is proof the host seed rules! These are the reasons I see great wisdom in Genesis - from a science, not theological, POV. So, no actual math then.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3923 days) Posts: 2822 Joined:
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quote: Negative. There is in fact no modification whatsoever: the basic life form design remains: a life form [zebra] follows it own kind [zebra again] - the design of stripes do not constitute a modification but intellegence and wisdom of the system. Minutae variances like individual eye color and other tendacies defy your conclusion: these are factored in, with all such variations being internally processed via a permutation of odds covering billions of sperm and egg cells which determines these minor sub-set variations at what point they connect.
quote: I admit that what a mosquito or snake can do in its own situation is supreme, and a human in the exact same circumstances could not do better. This factor only says each life form group has a particular program which defies evolution's environmental impacts: the thing happens internally via a directive program! However, the criteria of all life forms following one set of rules applies to all trillions of life forms - while one specie differs fundamentally: they all perform best in their world but humans break this barrier. Consider the example which applies to speech: communication is common to all life; speech is limited to one. The factor of adaptability is thus blown away by a ratio of all VS 1. You won't agree because evolution has become a fundamentlist religion!
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Larni Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I think the question is what selection pressures are there on humans? Without birth control humans are pretty fecund and with access to medical care families get pretty large.
I'm finding it hard to think of something that is more significant than human ingenuity and use of technology in terms of successful reproduction.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3923 days) Posts: 2822 Joined:
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There's no reality behind adaptive radiation; this is just a neo doctored premise given to the variety of life forms., and disregards the directive program transmission. Why do you not see this happening everywhere now!? AR is calling all the different cars as externally created, while ignoring the car manual, car factory and the car maker.
I gave you many mathematical premises you choose to disregard.
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Wounded King Member (Idle past 288 days) Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Negative. There is in fact no modification whatsoever OK, you do choose to completely ignore reality, thanks for the confirmation.
This factor only says each life form group has a particular program which defies evolution's environmental impacts Again, it doesn't say that at all, have you ever considered that you claiming something is not in fact anything like having evidence for that claim?
You won't agree because evolution has become a fundamentlist religion! No, I won't agree because you are making an incoherent non-argument with no evidence to support it. Oh, and the completely ignoring reality thing as well. TTFN, WK
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3923 days) Posts: 2822 Joined:
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There is no modification. If one looks closely, they will find variances in their hand five seconds later or two zebras display different stripe designs: but they still remain hands and zebras. This is generically common: no two points in the universe are the same, not because of evolution but because the space and time is moving.
When will you guys get to the part what role a host tranmittance to the offspring plays - remember that teeny weeny factor!?
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