The Flood = many coincidences

The K-T line is placed some 60+ million years ago.However, some creationists pick the Cambrian explosion for the flood -- some 550 million years ago.And biblical scholars generally place the flood about 4,350 years ago.Leaving aside the question of whether there was a flood at all, what empirical evidence can you provide that differentiates between these three alternatives separated by orders of magnitude?

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

That is the main problem, everyone who reads it, interprets it his way and the rest just cling to what they are told it says by someone else who interprets it, his way.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

Hello, Mr. Bloomberg! Welcome to EvC Forum!Unfortunately you've already been suspended for troll-like behavior - ignoring ongoing discussion and posting the identical message three consecutive times tend to be dead giveaways.If by chance you're not a troll then you can appeal for a restoration to active status by sending me an email (Admin) or a PM (Messaging) explaining yourself.Edited by Admin, : Grammar.

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Other then your say so, how do we know if this is true unless you describe the evidence you are using as well as your manner of interpretation?Please describe the evidence you used and the details of your interpretation of that evidence in order to conclude that the K-T line is the result of a flood 4400 or so years ago.

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So you are as ignorant of what the Bible says as you are of biology, geology and physics.Have you ever even read the Bible?Where are volcanoes mentioned in either of the Flood Myths?How does a volcano produce iridium?How does a flood sort out iridium?Sorry but your posts are nothing but great displays of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

So it is clear that you are as ignorant of the Bible as you are of biology, physics and geology.Have you even read the Bible? Those of us that actually have read the Bible know that 1 Corinthians has more than one verse. We also know that what Paul was condemning in that section was folk like you that take parts of the Bible out of context.The Christian Cult of Ignorance is comforting, I'm sure, but it is also pitiful and condemns those children trapped in it to a rude awakening when they learn that their religion is all based on lies and falsehoods.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Well i'm asked again my evidence for the k-t line being the flood line.
In geology there are in the field layers of rock strata. tHese are laid be different events in deposition.
a great break in the rock strata is the k-t line. this line segregates a great change in fauna and flora.
to explain it they say a comet hit the planet and wiped out the fauna/flora at the time. after a new fauna/flora became dominant.Well this creationist says this k-t line is in fact the flood line of the bible. so the great fauna/flora change was simply from the flood. After the flood there was new dominances of fauna/flora.so the geology/biology is my evidence for the biblical story.
The great fauna/flora change suddenly in time being the clue.
other creationists pick other times but are wrong.So the evidence is the same for everyone but i interpretate it different.
Everything above the line is very much like the world we live in now.
So biblical boundaries fit well with the evidence in the field.

Why are there no human remains below the flood line?

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If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

You seem to be reiterating your point that creationsist believe that the K-t boundary is the flood line but you do not explain why you beleive this to be so.People are asking you to say something along the lines of "I believe the K-t boundary is the flood layer beacause.........".As of yet you have only repeated your position.We understand what you believe. We need you to explain why you believe what you believe.Remember: as this is a science thread you cannot use your version of the bible as a reason.That may seem like a harsh rule but it one you tactically agreed to by debating in a science thread.

Hi Robert,That you can't provide what I'm asking for tells me that you either don't understand the request, or you have no answer but are responding anyway. Either way, the net result is that you're repeating your unsupported claims over and over again, which is disallowed by the Forum Guidelines:

4. Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.

What you need to do is describe evidence of at least an arguably scientific nature that causes you to conclude that the K-T boundary is a flood layer from around 4400 years ago. That it exists, which is the only evidence you've cited so far, is not evidence for a flood or for any particular age.Perhaps it would help if a stepwise approach were taken by posing one specific question at a time for you, for example: What evidence leads you to conclude that the K-T boundary is around 4400 years old?For those of a countervailing opinion I ask the opposite question: What evidence leads you to conclude that the K-T boundary is around 65 million years old?Edited by Admin, : Typo.

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--	Percy
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Except of course that all you present in that post is repeated unsupported assertions.The KT boundary is NOT evidence of the Noahic Flood and claiming that it is can only be a Lie, an example that you are deluded, or that you are as ignorant of geology and physics as you are of the Bible and Christianity.I will once again (it seems this always becomes necessary when trying to discuss anything with so called "Biblical Christians") repeat what I said back in Message 350:

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So you are as ignorant of what the Bible says as you are of biology, geology and physics.

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Have you ever even read the Bible?

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Where are volcanoes mentioned in either of the Flood Myths?

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How does a volcano produce iridium?

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How does a flood sort out iridium?

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Sorry but your posts are nothing but great displays of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Other creationists choose other times for the same reasons you choose K-T. If they, in your mind, are wrong then so are you.You offer no special evidence for the K-T that other creations do not offer for their favorite slice of time.And for all your twisting and weaving we already know when and where the K-T developed. It was an asteroid some 65 million years ago hitting Yucatan, and it had nothing to do with some mythical flud. No matter how you may wish to personally "interpret" the evidence that supports this, the facts of K-T/asteroid/Yucatan/65 million years will not go away.

I think Mr. Byers might find it easier to identify evidence regarding the age and cause of the K-T boundary if those who believe it ancient went first.

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I 65,35 million years ago K-T BOUNDARY the arrival of mammal like creatures and the going away of Dinosaur like creatures no man like creatures living at this age period. To make it easier for you to grasp the time distance from the KT boundary to the time the first "people" started to show up lets take that 1 year is one average step you make while walking. You would be 10 000 kilometers short of walking around the world on the equator, or in other words you would walk 3/4 around the world. now take a look at the little dot of where human like creatures arrive on this planet they do not come CLOSE to the KT boundr or 65 million years ago and there is NO evidence of humans in any other ages before the KT boundary.I other words even if the k-t boundary was a giant flood there would have been no HUMANS to build the damn ark in that time And no humans before the boundary to get your god pissed off in the first place do you get it now or do i have to come to your house and shove this knowledge down your throat with a plunger.

We would say very little remains relative to that world actually survive as fossils. in fact its mostly areas that were in the middle of the land masses and so received less damage . sSo less depth of sediment but still a great deal.
The population would of been in certain areas on earth and nothing would remain of them or their society. Its just the wilderness areas that are found in fossil form.