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Logikal
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Message 13 of 57 (61289)
10-16-2003 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Brad McFall
10-14-2003 7:39 PM


Hmmm
I must say this is THE worst argument for the existence of God that I have ever encountered.
Suppose that the world IS indeed eternal, without end or beginning in time (for the sake of the argument), would that mean that there can't be a "present moment" in it where the "past ends"?? Does that mean an eternal universe cannot have time? If an eternal universe cannot have time, then in what sense is it eternal? That would make the word "eternal" meaningless.
That's on top of the fact that "past" and "present" are subjective, not objective, constructs.
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Message 14 of 57 (61290)
10-16-2003 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Logikal
10-16-2003 11:06 PM


Re: Hmmm
Objection Number 2:
What does "the past ended in the present" mean? Does "present" refer to the time the argument was written? If so, then the argument is false, since the argument itself is now in the past.
Or does the past end .. NOW? Oops.. you missed it... try again... NOW... oops you missed it... etc.
The "past" is subjectively continuing. It is extending and extending and hasn't ended. Today will be the past tomorrow, and tomorrow will be the past after tomorrow. So the claim that the "past ends now" make it seem like the past has multiple ends, which is absurd. It has no end. It will end only when time itself ends, if ever.
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Message 15 of 57 (61293)
10-16-2003 11:38 PM
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10-16-2003 11:11 PM


Re: Hmmm
Objection Number 3:
Assume that the past ends now. Why does that have to mean that the world has to be infinite on both ends? Maybe it has infinitely existed in the past but will end sometime.
Don't Christians believe in the immortality of the soul? They think that a human being has a beginning, but has no end. A human is born one day, but will live forever in Heaven (or hell). Wouldn't that be just as contradictory?
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