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Jaderis
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Message 400 of 440 (613164)
04-22-2011 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 371 by Coyote
04-19-2011 9:52 PM


Re: Bloated government insurance program
Coyote writes:
Defense is one of the few things actually mentioned in the Constitution.
So is the general welfare. Where in the Constitution does it say that defense should eclipse all other spending by many orders of magnitude?

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
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Jaderis
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Message 401 of 440 (613165)
04-22-2011 4:44 AM
Reply to: Message 356 by marc9000
04-17-2011 4:42 PM


marc9000 writes:
I'm fascinated by how so many people think the government will cure all problems if they're just given enough power, no matter how many times history shows how it ends in disaster.
marc9000 writes:
I cry for those that the insurance companies will target, to make up for their losses, just like after 9-11-2001.
I wish that I was surprised at the cognitive dissonance, but alas...

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
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Jaderis
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Message 402 of 440 (613166)
04-22-2011 4:56 AM
Reply to: Message 352 by ZenMonkey
04-15-2011 9:09 PM


ZenMonkey writes:
Is that the Tea Party theory, that the poor are just lazy and wouldn't need health care if they just went to the gym more and shopped at the organic farmers market?
What's really twisted is that poor people often don't have any of those facilities near them. Gyms? Way too far away and too expensive...parks, too. Grocery stores? Maybe? But usually something that requires a cab ride home (adding to the cost of food) or a "deli/convenience store" that charges twice the cost of goods.
Organic farmer's markets? They are everywhere in NYC but many people just can't shop at them because they are only there during business hours or because the potential shoppers don't live in the "oh I am so organic" target areas that farmers flock to.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
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Jaderis
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Message 403 of 440 (613168)
04-22-2011 5:37 AM
Reply to: Message 373 by ZenMonkey
04-19-2011 10:31 PM


Re: Minnesota Care
ZenMonkey writes:
marc9000 writes:
The republicans are trying to shut these state programs down. They are working hard to shut down Minnesota Care and Badgercare here in Wisconsin. They want the poor and disabled to fend for themselves
State Republicans, or federal? Chances are I'd disagree with them, but I'd have to see the details of the debate. That's how I would form my opinion, not only by a blind support of Republicans.
So you're saying that if it's a state program, then you'd object to federal officials trying to shut it down? That would be a consistent states rights position, anyway. I suspect, however, that this is a case of state legislative action.
State legislatures are notorious breeding grounds for nut-job legislation, primarily coming from conservatives. Witness Arizona's Republican-dominated state legislature, which when given the choice would much rather ignore their budget crisis and instead spend their time passing laws about 10 Commandments monuments and requiring Presidential candidates to provide long form birth certificates in order to get on the ballot.
Conservatives should actually favor a federally managed heath-care program. If nothing else, it would give them a golden opportunity to effectively overturn Roe v. Wade by making abortion a non-covered procedure.
State legislatures in Michigan have also been stripping localities of existence if they don't participate in the transfer of money from the poor to the rich...I wonder how they file that in their "smaller government is better" pea brained ideology. I guess it only applies when the good ol' boys don't like the really big boy in DC.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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