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Author Topic:   Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen?
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Message 560 of 657 (613170)
04-22-2011 7:07 AM
Reply to: Message 555 by Buzsaw
04-21-2011 11:18 PM


Re: Nuweiba Beach A Delta
Buzsaw writes:
After checking the Online Dictionary definition I see my usage of the term, sandbar was incorrect.
So if sandbar was the incorrect term, then what was the correct one? Precisely what claim did you intend to make when you inadvertently used the term sandbar?
Until you clarify this, please do not make any new claims regarding sandbars or submerged land bridges or the like, and do not include it in your claims about your "corroborated evidences supportive to your hypotheses."
As for the scientists, I have attended sessions of two of them here in upstate NY. Both of the scientists were once avid evolutionists. It's been a while but I'll try to get up their names and credentials.
We do not need the scientists names or credentials, though if you wish to seek them out and provide them I have no objection. What I said I would ask for when the time came was the evidence these scientists used to reach their conclusions.
But it is not yet time to consider this new unevidenced claim. You have other unevidenced claims that you first have to provide evidence for. I have several times asked for your evidence that your choice for Mount Sinai has a blackened top unlike other mountains of the region. Because I have made this request many times I would ask that you respond to this before responding to anything else.

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Message 572 of 657 (613233)
04-23-2011 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 569 by Buzsaw
04-22-2011 11:08 PM


Re: Nuweiba Beach A Delta
Buzsaw writes:
Regarding the mountain, in Message 506 I said:
quote:
As to the blackened mountain, there was some question about what gave the mountain the dark appearance. The fact remains that there is a dark topped mountain in the right secession of ducts corroborating my acclaimed evidences
All I'm stating about the mountain is that it does appear black topped and it is in the right place in the row. That's it. My understanding is that researchers are not allowed access for study on it.
Message 506 is your reference message, and it contains no evidence of a mountain that is "black topped," and no evidence of a row of mountains only one of which is "black topped." Please produce this evidence before moving on to anything else.
About lack of access to the region, let's say someone's been stealing your garden tomatoes, and a neighbor comes to you and says he has a picture of someone in the act and that it is Old Weird Bob from down the street. You ask to see the picture, but your neighbor won't show it to you. Do you then conclude it was Old Weird Bob, or do you get just a little bit suspicious that you're not permitted to see the photograph.
You see, Buz, what I know is that this really is a sacred mountain and that buried at its base at the foot of a perpetual and mysterious fountain is an ancient document stating that Unitarianism is the one true religion. Unfortunately we're not permitted access, so you'll just have to take my word for it. I know I don't have Wyatt's flair, but hey, trust me!
Sorry the digression, but I'm making a point. One must have evidence, and in the absence of evidence one must refrain from reaching conclusions. At EvC Forum we seek to keep discussions firmly grounded in evidence, and you continually refer to your "corroborated evidences supportive to your hypothesis." So please produce the evidence for these blackened mountain tops.
As moderator I have no stake in the outcome of this discussion. My sole concern is that though your messages continually refer to evidence in your earlier messages, when I examine those messages I can find no such evidence, and no one else can find it either. Your recent history is that when you join a thread you turn the other participants into beggars for evidence, and this is the last place that this should happen. That's why we're going through this exercise of actually identifying your evidence. I don't care whether the evidence supports a flood or the Exodus or anything else Biblical. All I care about is that when a member claims evidence exists then it damn well better exist:
  1. Avoid any form of misrepresentation.
Edited by Admin, : Grammar.

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Message 574 of 657 (613247)
04-23-2011 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 573 by Buzsaw
04-23-2011 8:22 AM


Re: Nuweiba Beach A Delta
Buzsaw writes:
Admittedly, the largest mountain is not the only one appearing black topped. In my Message 506 I said:
quote:
As to the blackened mountain, there was some question about what gave the mountain the dark appearance. The fact remains that there is a dark topped mountain in the right secession of ducts corroborating my acclaimed evidences.
The reason I posted an interactive Google map was so you could scroll around and see that not only do most mountains in the region appear darker on top, there are also much darker mountains. Scroll around south east and notice how many mountains are as dark and darker on top. If you zoom in on each mountain you'll see that most of the difference in darkness is shade, not actual coloration.
What is your evidence that your chosen mountain's "blackened top" which is apparently mostly just shadows is much different from any of the other mountains in the region?
Also, we still have no idea which specific mountain in the Google map is your Mount Sinai. You referred to one of them as "the largest mountain," but from this satellite view it seems impossible to judge height. Are you going by breadth? That seems difficult to judge, too, particularly where one mountain begins and another leaves off. So please make clear to us in some way which specific mountain you're talking about. If this mountain is so different from all the other mountains in the region then it should be easily identifiable.

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Message 581 of 657 (617751)
05-31-2011 6:07 AM
Reply to: Message 576 by Buzsaw
05-30-2011 10:29 PM


Re: Mt Sinai
Hi Buz,
Your post had no evidence, only claims of evidence. You're still doing what I've been asking you not to do. I'm asking you to stop making claims that you have evidence and to start actually providing evidence. In your next post I want you to:
  • Identify in a Google satellite photograph which mountain in western Saudi Arabia is Mount Sinai, and describe how you identified it and chose it over other similar mountains in the region.
  • Describe the evidence you used to demonstrate that this same mountain has animals carved at its base where other mountains in the region do not.
Please do not post again to this thread until you can provide this evidence, or you're willing to drop this particular claim and move on to other Exodus evidence.
Edited by Admin, : Typo.

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Message 583 of 657 (617784)
05-31-2011 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 582 by Buzsaw
05-31-2011 10:47 AM


Re: Re:Height Perspective.
Buzsaw writes:
According to the Biblical record, that would be the mountain.
You say you have natural evidence of this mountain. Could you maybe tell us which mountain and how you know it's *the* Mount Sinai, here's the map again:

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Message 585 of 657 (617940)
05-31-2011 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 584 by Buzsaw
05-31-2011 4:30 PM


Re: Re:Height Perspective.
Hi Buz,
Let's be very clear about your evidence.
You believe that if one could enter that region of Saudi Arabia that Mount Sinai would be identifiable because it is the highest mountain, it has a blackened top unlike other mountains in the region, and it has animal carvings at its base unlike other mountains in the region.
But you have no material evidence that such a mountain exists in this region of Saudi Arabia.
If you agree that this summary is accurate then you're free to move on to the issues of other evidence.
If you disagree with this summary then please provide your material evidence.

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