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Theodoric
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Message 40 of 142 (613430)
04-25-2011 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by slevesque
04-25-2011 1:49 AM


The issue with creos and fundies is that when you look at where they are coming from you can see that they are not presenting evidence honestly. They have a preconceived world view that no amount of evidence will change.
If you go to the authors websites or the websites of the publisher you will find something like what I posted on another topic about creation.com.
quote:
What we believe
STATEMENT OF FAITH
(See also Good News )
(A) PRIORITIES
The scientific aspects of creation are important, but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer and Judge.
The doctrines of Creator and Creation cannot ultimately be divorced from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
(B) BASICS
The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority, not only in all matters of faith and conduct, but in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science.
The final guide to the interpretation of Scripture is Scripture itself.
The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the origin and history of life, mankind, the Earth and the universe.
The various original life forms (kinds), including mankind, were made by direct creative acts of God. The living descendants of any of the original kinds (apart from man) may represent more than one species today, reflecting the genetic potential within the original kind. Only limited biological changes (including mutational deterioration) have occurred naturally within each kind since Creation.
The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect.
The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the necessity of salvation for mankind.
Death (both physical and spiritual) and bloodshed entered into this world subsequent to, and as a direct consequence of, man’s sin.
(C) THEOLOGY
The Godhead is triune: one God, three PersonsGod the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
All mankind are sinners, inherently from Adam and individually (by choice) and are therefore subject to God’s wrath and condemnation.
Freedom from the penalty and power of sin is available to man only through the sacrificial death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, and His complete and bodily Resurrection from the dead.
The Holy Spirit enables the sinner to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
The Holy Spirit lives and works in each believer to produce the fruits of righteousness.
Salvation is a gift received by faith alone in Christ alone and expressed in the individual’s repentance, recognition of the death of Christ as full payment for sin, and acceptance of the risen Christ as Saviour, Lord and God.
All things necessary for our salvation are set down in Scripture.
Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.
Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead, ascended to Heaven, is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father, and shall return in like manner to this Earth as Judge of the living and the dead.
Satan is the personal spiritual adversary of both God and man.
Those who do not believe in Christ are subject to everlasting conscious punishment, but believers enjoy eternal life with God.
(D) GENERAL
The following are held by members of the Boards (Directors) of Creation Ministries International to be either consistent with Scripture or implied by Scripture:
Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation.
The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of Creation.
The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.
The ‘gap’ theory has no basis in Scripture. Nor has the day-age idea (so-called ‘progressive creation’), or the Framework Hypothesis or theistic evolution.
The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of Biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into ‘secular’ and ‘religious’, is rejected.
By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.
Why should we be open minded about anything people like this have to say?
You may notice that people that present science do not have a statement of faith.
Edited by Theodoric, : spelling
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 74 of 142 (613521)
04-25-2011 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Buzsaw
04-25-2011 7:36 PM


context dear man context
Do you even read the messages in a thread?
In no way am I saying that all fundies/creos subscribe to this statement of faith.
You may have noticed this line.
If you go to the authors websites or the websites of the publisher you will find something like what I posted on another topic about creation.com.
You see those words "something like", by this a meant a statement of faith of some sort. Not this particular one.
You really need to work on your comprehension and ability to understand context.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 76 of 142 (613526)
04-25-2011 9:33 PM
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04-25-2011 7:36 PM


one more thing
You might want to get a dictionary and look at the meanings of the words ascribe and subscribe,
In the words of Inigo Montoya

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 107 of 142 (613600)
04-26-2011 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Tram law
04-26-2011 11:10 AM


Well it is obvious the Pope is not a true christian.
I must agree with Slevesque on one thing.
Please use the reply button on the bottom of each post. When you make a general reply it is more troublesome for us to find the post you are actually responding to. Also, the person you are replying to will get an email saying they have a response. Sleve has requested you do this numerous times and I see you are still not doing it.
If you continue to make general replies I will assume you are just being an asshole and will consider that whenever you post anything.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 111 of 142 (613631)
04-26-2011 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by PaulK
04-26-2011 1:20 PM


Re: CMI are not honest
So, while CMI might be better than other YEC organisations
Hardly.
Peruse the articles in their so-called journal. Nutball city.
Their list of "scientists" includes Jack Cuozzo.
Sleve's response will be.
But he studied Neandertal teeth.
Here is a small sample of Cuozzo's cluelessness
Chris Stringer responds to Jack Cuozzo

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 112 of 142 (613632)
04-26-2011 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Tram law
04-26-2011 1:36 PM


I rest my case.

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Theodoric
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Message 117 of 142 (613640)
04-26-2011 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by dwise1
04-26-2011 2:01 PM


Tram law seems to think he is above the need to use basic common courtesy.
According to him we are all retards if we cannot instantly figure out who he is replying to. I wonder when he is going to resort to saying nah nah nah booboo and start swinging his dick around.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 121 of 142 (613644)
04-26-2011 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by AZPaul3
04-26-2011 2:14 PM


He was asked repeatedly by sleve to stop using the general reply button.
He could only take my post as insulting if he acted like I was afraid he would. At no time did I insult him. It was his decision to act like an ass when the option was given to him.
Here is my post again. It asked very nicely for him to start using the reply button. So not fair enough.
I must agree with Slevesque on one thing.
Please use the reply button on the bottom of each post. When you make a general reply it is more troublesome for us to find the post you are actually responding to. Also, the person you are replying to will get an email saying they have a response. Sleve has requested you do this numerous times and I see you are still not doing it.
If you continue to make general replies I will assume you are just being an asshole and will consider that whenever you post anything.
The last sentence clearly says that I am not calling him an asshole, but would make my determination on his continuing behaviour. I am not the bad guy here.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 123 of 142 (613646)
04-26-2011 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Tram law
04-26-2011 2:19 PM


But how does one reply when there are multiple posts to reply from.
Reply to each individually or reply to one and mention the other messages you are replying to. You can add a link to each of the messages you are replying to.
The easiest, best and most accepted is to make a reply to each message specifically if you feel each message deserves a reply.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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