animals on the ark

QS: You're obviously not keeping up with current creation science research. Since all life was created 6000 years ago in the Cambrian Explosion (scientists got the decimal point wrong, they meant to say six thousand, not six hundred million or so), there is only a requirement to have a total of 13 kinds on the ark. There's been no change in kinds since. After all, a chordate is still a chordate, right? The ark thus doesn't have to be any larger than a houseboat.[Sorry, couldn't resist.]

Yeah, John. I was kidding. I was just taking the "no variation between kinds" argument to its (il)logical conclusion. If you doubt it, see my long-winded discussion with Philip on the human evolution thread. I'm arguing against biblical essentialism - which is the heart of the "kinds" argument.

Hi randy.Yeah, Woodmorappe's a joke. However, in the interests of fairness, I asked my resident science advisor (Dani, age 8) to provide a reference list of critters that could have been on the ark two-by-two (except when it was seven). Once you accept the creationist hyper-"microevolution" from the ark kinds to the 11+ million species alive today (and rejecting the hollow Earth and ark-as-planetoid-sized-spaceship explanations), it's pretty easy to come up with the exact list of what could have been on the ark.Here is Dani's list of Kreated Kinds:Feathered Kind
Bug Kind
Plant Kind
Things-that-live-in-water Kind
Things-that-live-in-water-and-breathe-air Kind
Things-too-small-to-see Kind
Furry Animal Kind
Furry-animal-with-wings Kind (had to have bats in there somewhere)
Cold-blooded-animals-with-feet Kind
Cold-blooded-animals-without-feet Kind
Dinosaur Kind
Animals-that-live-in-water-sometimes Kind (she has a thing about frogs, for some reason)
Things-that-live-in-water-and-breathe-air-with-shells Kind (e.g., turtles)
Things-that-live-in-water-and-don't-breathe-air-with-shells Kind (e.g., clams)
People KindAs you can see, there were in fact about 15 species on the ark. She might have missed some - after all, she's only 8. Could've been housed in something about the size of a small yacht with a couple of acquariums. I don't know why AiG and ICR haven't realized how easy it is...

Interesting. The largest ships IIRC of the period were the Roman frumentariae or grain ships (plying the waters between Alexandria and Rome, but also used to carry legions during the Punic Wars - which is the only reason I know anything about them ). They ran about 180 feet long, fairly wide, and supposedly wallowed like pigs in even a normal sea. They were sailing vessels rather than oared, and constructed of cedar. 'Course, no one knows what "gopher wood" is, so the creationists can simply claim it had magical properties that prevented a boat constructed of it from breaking up at the first wavelet.

Hi Cactus, welcome to EvC.You're making a lot of good posts - thanks for your input. However, as a suggestion for future reference, you just might want to check out the date stamp on the posts to which you are responding. In this case, ol' quicksink hasn't even posted once on this message board since 10 april, 2002. There's no restriction about resurrecting old threads, of course. However, you're likely to get a better response from our creo friends if you pick a more recent post.Again, welcome to EvC.