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edge
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Message 118 of 445 (491989)
12-25-2008 11:04 AM
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12-25-2008 1:53 AM


But notice that there's an "unless." He's posturing, not claiming. Great..."unless." Is he actually saying it or just implying it? We need him to actually make a claim and not just let his mind wander.
That's a pretty big "unless". There is no evidence that the earth was ever smooth. Plate tectonics and isostasy practically forbid it, particularly in the framework of human existence. In fact, the bible itself refutes this scenario. I'm afraid YECs are just groping again, hoping for a magical solution to their problem.
Incorrect. That's the model I've done nothing but detail: In order to flood the earth using only the water that exists on the planet, the tallest elevation can only be a few hundred feet above sea level.
I was quite taken aback at this statement also. It could mean that YECs do not really have the decency to read our posts, or that they do not (or refuse to) understand.

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Message 174 of 445 (540909)
12-29-2009 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Architect-426
12-29-2009 11:32 PM


Re: KT and the Boundary Band: The giant-volcanic T-rex obituary, man!
There is much more evidence that scientists are again ignoring regarding the demise of Dino et.al. For example, there is a large amount of evidence of an ancient civilization in the SW US existing a few thousand years ago, forgotten even by Native American tribes. Much of this was documented in the late 1800’s. Their remains are impressive and I have trampled on them myself (not standing buildings but foundations and massive infrastructures). Given the fact that this ancient civilization was mysteriously wiped out and buried, and the fact of numerous Dino tracks and remains on the surface within the same vicinity, then one can conclude that Man and Dino lived at the same time, and not that long ago and were BOTH wiped out. I have also witnessed ancient carvings of these terrible lizards in remote canyon walls.
Therefore I believe in a second series of mass extinction, and it was volcanic of course. The SW US is peppered with massive volcanism. It is also known that there is a huge magma body below the surface in AZ. Let’s hope it does not decide to rear its head any time soonthat would be another really bad day.
"Your flood myth doesn't hold water."
It is certainly not "my" flood.... and yes, there was lots of water.
This is pretty amazing. Where did you learn all this stuff?
Can you document it?
I don't know where to begin. Virtually everything you are saying is wrong.
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edge
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Message 180 of 445 (541020)
12-30-2009 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Architect-426
12-29-2009 11:57 PM


Re: GPS - proof of Plate Tectonics? What a joke!
Coragypsie, Yup, wasn't a GPS a classical Pontiac? If you ever come across a '62 421 'swiss cheese' racer, CALL ME, they're hard to find...
GPS nor any other "plate detection" movement of a fistfull of centimeters a year does not prove squat in terms of plate tectonics being "responsible" for geological phenomenon. If a building of mine moves a few centimeters without control, I'm in trouble! Yet when a entire blasted continent moves an absurd, laughable, pathetic ~5cm, you guys get all excited and say "lookee, play tectonics is true... it actually moved... we detected it from space... never mind GPS can be off several meters... we like play tectonics too much... we'll keep drawing little arrows on our play tectonic maps... its fun..."
Plate tectonics is junk. It is the gripping monkey riding the back of scientists that has turned into an 800 lb gorilla! You guys can't shake it because your addicted to this absurd, obsolete, pathetic 5cm/year "theory". Get rid of it.
Content-free rant done?
Care to make any meaningful comments?
The fact of giant rising magma chambers is true and observed.
Yep, as predicted by PT...
Ever heard of ballistic sedimentation?
Sounds irrelevant, but I'd love to hear about it.

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edge
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Message 186 of 445 (542328)
01-08-2010 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Architect-426
01-08-2010 4:15 PM


Re: KT and the Boundary Band: The giant-volcanic T-rex obituary, man!
Wrong you say? Which claim is wrong?? Let’s unpack, this is a science forum for goodness sake:
1. Magma chambers below AZ; This is known to be true as geophysical evidence has shown the existence of a massive chamber(s). 404
This is one of the more poorly written articles I've ever read. Besides it says there is a molten layer around the whole world...
This truly is no surprise as by carefully studying the geomorphology of AZ (and the SW in general), massive volcanism is obvious.
Just because there are volcanic rocks does not mean that the magma chamber is still there...
Do you understand what happens to magma chambers?
There are massive edifices (San Francisco Peaks, Mt. Baldy, Mt. Taylor and Valles Calderas NM) among numerous lava flows, dikes, necks, etc. There is also a massive lava field on the northern edge of the Grand Canyon.
Most of the ocean floor is lava. Do you also suppose that there is a large magma chamber everywhere beneath the ocean?
Also known to be true in this region are the existence of massive aquifers.
Maybe you could point one out to us?
Aquifers+magma chambers is the perfect combo for destructive phreato-magmatic eruptions.
Possibly. But that would also be that case with normal aquifers.
Plate tectonics has absolutely nothing to do with the existence of magma chambers.
Sure it does. Why do you think that the Arizona geography is so broken up?
3. Dino prints and remains; Also known and true. There are a plethora of prints throughout the SW especially within the reservations. Of course, they are on the top strata and the
Nonsense. The are on the 'top strata' because that is what is exposed by erosion. They occur in several layers and some of those are stratigraphically deep.
Natives will also tell you they are on mesas, in valleys, etc. Therefore Dinos were running around everywhere, and probably running from a pyroclastic flow and/or massive ash fallout.
This is plain silly. Footprints in the Dakota Formation would be on the ridges and mesa tops because it is a resistant sandstone, and those in the Morrison Formation would be in more of the valleys because of the presence of less resistant shales. In both cases, they are quite old, just exposed by erosion.
Given these facts, we can conclude that there is strong evidence that Dino AND this ancient civilization were buried by a massive eruption(s).
Nonsense. The dinosaur footprints are often buried by other sediments of the same formation and the Anasazi civilization is not buried by anything. If they ran away from a volcanic eruption, they were wasting their time.
Keep in mind, the Spanish did not arrive until the 1500’s and the tribes they met were most likely remnant and scattered tribes from a ‘extinction’ that could have taken place only a few thousand years earlier. In addition, there is also compounding evidence in other parts of the world that Dino and man lived at the same time showing up in ancient architectural artifacts. You can do the research this subject on your own.
And that research shows that the artwork is a hoax or else has nothing to do with dinosaurs.
Of course, this massive evidence obliterates the 65 million year old Dino demise.
Except that you have provided no evidence.
The Jurassic world is nothing but a science fiction scenario that has rooted itself as fact.
Except that is is documented, whereas your fantastic world is not shown anywhere in the geologic record.
Just like the plate tectonic sea floor spreading and subduction diagrams, scientists are truly duped by their own cartoon drawings of the Jurassic world.
Except that we can actually see it happening. Kinda blows away your theory, doesn't it?
Duped by the diagrams; this scientific affliction continues.
Yep, them scientists is pretty stoopid, ain't they?
A good read; Red Earth, White Lies: Native Americans and the Myth of Scientific Fact by Native American Vine Deloria. He is not a Creationist nor an Evolutionists, yet he challenges the entire scientific community regarding many aspects of geology and archeology.
Hey, there are all kinds of crackpots in the world. Do you ever read any mainstream articles or texts?
He also scoffs at plate tectonics and orthodox geology and rightfully so as they are truly obsolete.
Hey, if whatshisname say it, I'm convinced! Umm, the only problem is that we can see PT actually happening. How do you handle that?
In light of my own research into the ancient Native American architectural artifacts, I will say that they are grossly misunderstood, and their achievements in what I will call sustainable development, is impressive to say the least.
Evidently, it didn't sustain them very well...
I agree that they are misunderstood by some people.
Now, am I supposed to take your post seriously?
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edge
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Message 187 of 445 (542329)
01-08-2010 10:09 PM
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01-08-2010 4:38 PM


Re: Sea Floor Spreading? If not, then NO Plate Tectonics!
I’m beating a plate tectonic dead horse here...
Well, there are thousands of scientists who would like to know that they are wasting there time. I'm sure that you could direct them to more productive pursuits. I mean just tell them your qualifications and it should be a cinch.
... but will continue to do so because the plate tectonic theory truly needs to be discarded forever into the halls of junk science
All you need is evidence. If you have a better explanation of the evidence this would be a fabulous time to make it public.
Plate Tectonics = sea floors spreads, sea floor subducts. This is the essence of plate tectonics.
I'm glad you have a definition that you can understand.
Fact; ocean crust is only ~200 million years 'old', while continents are over 3 billion years 'old', all due to sea floor spreading and sea floor subducting.
Therefore, if the sea floor is not spreading, then the sea floor is not subducting, and therefore plate tectonics is false and does not exist.
Let me guess - you didn't major in logic in college.
How does all this refute plate tectonics, and why do you think that scientist haven't thought about all this before?
Case in point: Indian Ocean 2554'0.42"S 6930'35.28"E
This is a plate tectonic cluster duck. The ‘intersection’ of 3 MOM’s (remember, I have officially renamed the Mid Ocean Ridges, or MOR’s to MOM’s, because they give birth to twins according to plate tectonics). So these three MOM’s got together and are having 3 sets of ocean crust twins who are mysteriously trying to spread away from their Mommies, all of which are vying for ocean bottom real estate. Therefore, their alleged spreading per the plate tectonic theory (rooted as fact), is emphatically impossible as this spreading concept only works in a bi-lateral scenario (according to the cartoon diagrams that is). However in this radial scenario, spreading is beyond ridiculous and is physically impossible as the system is LOCKED. Furthermore, there are no subduction zones in this region that would be needed to balance the alleged spreading. The closest one is the arc of Indonesia, but again, close observation reveals a massive disturbance in this region near the arc.
Ah, I see you have never taken a course in plate tectonics. I'm shocked.
You do realize that plate movements are strictly relative. The motion between plates A and B has nothing to do with plates C and B.
Yeah, it's confusing. Kinda like QM, but it works. I really don't expect you to understand, considering that you really don't want to understand.
It is apparent, by carefully studying the bathymetry of the surrounding sea floor, there was a massive collapse and/or disturbance on a large scale of surrounding landmass. The result of this collapse, perhaps caused by continental over-loading with water along with massive quakes, resulted in massive compressional forces along with sheer in the OPPOSITE direction of the alleged plate tectonic sea floor spreading scenario. The geomorphology, or architecture as I would say, supports this compression scenario in the obvious deformation of the lithosphere as a result of a massive event that we currently do not observe. Tests will support this as well.
Want some dressing with that salad? This has so many contradictions, I don't know where to start. I guess first of all, if you have a 'room problem' the solution is not to collapse a land mass. It just doesn't work. Second, there was no landmass. Maybe if you made your statement more coherrent, we coudl go further with this but basically it's a bunch of gibberish.
Therefore, this blows an irreparable hole in the plate tectonic theory. As a result, evolutionary science is left with a mega age discrepancy on their hands to deal with.
Not really, because what you are saying makes no sense.
Again, scientists (as well as the general masses) are simply duped by sea floor spreading and sea floor subducting diagrams, and are not critically analyzing the formations of the ocean floor due to the plate tectonic addiction.
Yep, right. 'Em scientists er stoopid.
I recommend reading articles against plate tectonics by your own peers, especially those of D.R. Choi, editor of New Concepts for Global Tectonics. Forbidden
These guys are thinking outside of the plate tectonic box at least.
Well, then. They MUST be right! Thinking outside the box is always the best thing.
Furthermore, Choi points out that seismic waves produced at the MOR's are compressional, which is diametrically opposite of the plate tectonics sea floor "spreading" assumption.
I suggest that Choi either does not understand divergent boundary tectonics or he does not understand seismic information.
Plate tectonics is bunk.
Plate tectonics is actually observed. Vertical tectonics is only a subset of plate tectonics.
Where do you see the best example of vertical tectonics?
Vertical tectonics is much more plausible as a world model.
To a fringe, parochial school of thought, yes.

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edge
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Message 188 of 445 (542332)
01-08-2010 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Architect-426
01-08-2010 4:55 PM


Re: Ballistic Sedimentation - A Geological Epiphany
Not irrelevant, but perhaps a huge geological epiphany!
Ah, wonderful. I always love to hear about geological epiphanies from non-geologists!
The concept is simple and observed with volcanic activity. Material is blasted from a vent, and ballistically deposited elsewhere. Since there are massive piles of mountains that are sedimentary, then perhaps they were deposited via massive ballistic sedimentation process from a massive volcanic event. The Bible says the Great Flood was going to be complete and utter destruction "with the Earth" and every living land creature was going to perish (Genesis Ch. 6).
Oh, I've seen those. In fact I mapped one of them. But they don't look the way you think.
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So in essence, the Earth blew up and we have ballistic sedimentation everywhere.
Then you should be able to show us the evidence supporting a 'ballistic deposit'. You should also probably calculate the energy involved in depositing the entire geologic record this way. I mean, it MIGHT have implications...
After this process, geological formations are carved by massive runoff and that's why we have a plethora of marine fossils strewn high and low.
Are you serious? Fossils are being deposited in an erosional envrionment? Not counting the fact that you just obliterated all life in a monumental explosion ...
Arch, there are a lot of weird ideas out there that appeal to the untrained and naive. I strongly suggest that you do a reality check on your sources and see them for what they are: charlatans. I hope you are not sending them money.
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Message 191 of 445 (542388)
01-09-2010 3:35 PM
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01-09-2010 8:06 AM


Re: Ballistic Sedimentation - A Geological Epiphany
Hi edge, amusing yourself?
More like abusing myself, I'm afraid. These YEC posts recently have been so nonsensical that I find it completely disorienting. I have no idea what to make of them.
Take this one by Arch. He has no provenance for the sediments other than some kind of explosion and no provenance for the fossils except that they somehow survived the explosion. It's all very fantastic, which, I suppose makes it all the more believable for a devout YEC. But to say that this explains the fossil record is beyond ludicrous. It ignores virtually every piece of evidence in the geologic record.
Strew by the magical mystery explosion/s, uncovered by the erosional environment.
So, the fossils were involved in the explosion. Okay, that helps.
Or does it???
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Unfortunately, for ARCHITECT-426, this does not explain fossil sorting in the slightest, as seen in foraminifera sorted in layers by species groupings:
http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/whatsnew/papers/biochart.pdf
The biological implications make it more complicated. But for me, it's just plain crazy to think that the deposits could all originate from an explosion. These things are common in volcanic rocks, but not anything like the scale that Arch seems to think. However, they would tell us what to expect from such a cataclysmic explosion. And it ain't there.

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edge
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Message 193 of 445 (542408)
01-09-2010 8:24 PM
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01-09-2010 7:34 PM


Re: Ballistic Sedimentation - A Geological Impossibility
Curiously, I don't think that's fair to other YEC's or creationists in general, as Achitect-426 is pretty much on his own here - I know of no other creationists that has taken this ... approach.
Okay, well, I should say 'some of the YEC posts...' On another board, I had someone tell me that since there was some kind of "state change" in the past, we cannot say what happened before. In fact, mercury might have turned into gold because they are so close on the periodic chart. Then, of course, we had our own 'galloping continents' proponent and gold deposit expert from Scandinavia here earlier. Some of these things are just plain weird.
I don't think you are alone here, I pretty much wrote him off when he told me that shells could survive being submersed in magma. I've also figured that this would take the effect of Krakatoa and place a similar event every 10 sq miles over the surface of the entire earth, at a minimum - and krakatoa did not throw any sediment or fossils, just ash and cinder blocks.
Krakatoa is the largest volcanic explosion known in history,...
Well, actually, Tambora was probably bigger, but there were no direct witnesses (at least none left alive). I'll check to see what the highest inferred volcanic explosivity index is for some historic volcanos.

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Message 194 of 445 (542409)
01-09-2010 8:42 PM
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01-09-2010 7:34 PM


Re: Ballistic Sedimentation - A Geological Impossibility
Here, try the list on Wiki. Krakatau in 1883 had a VEI of 6 and Tambora in 1815 was a 7.
Volcanic explosivity index - Wikipedia

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Message 278 of 445 (598003)
12-26-2010 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by Architect-426
12-14-2010 6:48 PM


Re: Sea-Floor "spreading" is false - Plate Tectonics is finished
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The vid of the Icelandic volcano of course is a fissure-type eruption in which magma is simply being ballistically ejected onto the surface and will dry wherever it lands.
Not sure where you are getting your information, but a fissure eruption does not refer necessarily to style of eruption, but the morphology and structural control of the vent(s).
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It is not, however, spreading the crust in any manner of the concept.
Why not?
Here is a presentation showing how a fissure eruption occurs at a divergent plate boundary.
Just a moment...
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Obviously the fracture opened first providing a linear conduit for the magma to rise vertically,...
Yes and that conduit has some relationship to the regional stress field which is concordant with the known tectonic environment.
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... not horizontally as per the irrational plate tectonic spreading idea.
Not sure what you mean here. Sounds like a strawman. Are you sure you understand regional crustal rock mechanics?
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Iceland itself is indeed a plate tectonic anomaly as when one studies the bathymetry of the MOR formation, you can clearly see how Iceland formed due to a massive outpouring of basaltic lava OVER the MOR formation.
True. But what is really important is what happens as that carapace is stretched across the expanding crust. See the link above to see what happens as that supracrustal basalt is stretched in an approxiamate E-W direction. It is exactly what we would expect in an extenstional PT environment.
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Again, this copious eruption of magma did not spread apart the MOR, but spread out laterally on top of the MOR most likely due to massive crustal concussions that occurred during the Flood.
The first part of this statement actually makes sense. Yes, the actual extension is in the emplacement of basaltic dikes in the oceanic crust, of which the surface carapace of volcanism is a manifestation.
The flood business is pure fantasy.
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I don’t negate the rifting occurring at the MOR’s, however dubbing the MOR’s as spreading centers when to this day I still have not seen a physical test to support such a concept...
Incredibly wrong. There is abundant evidence of spreading at the known divergent boundaries.
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... (yet the compression scenario can be/has been tested),...
My, that's generous of you! So, how do you have compression in some areas with out extension in others?
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... is simply an effort to support the childish idea of Pangea breakup all because scientists think that all of the continents used to be bunched up like a giant meatball.
Ummm, no. First of all, why is the idea 'childish'?
In fact, if you look up Large Igneous Provinces, you will find tha the Icelandic province, with which you seem to be familiar, is spread all across the North Atlantic from Scotland to Greenland. This is due to spreading which you seem to reject based on a cursory understanding.
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By all means, ignore all of the massive volcanism on all continents because sure enough when you have to address those, then poor ‘ol Pangea becomes nothing but a cartoon diagram and thus is only true in one’s imagination.
Well, that continental volcanism includes your Icelandic Province. If you have a better explanation, this would be a fine time to apprise us all.
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Spherical mechanics are out the window as well. Heck, any kind of true mechanics is out the window with the foolish play tectonic theory.
And you have some alternative?
You are simply making unsupported assertions here.
There is abundant evidence against what you write here. From actual measurements of divergence, to radiometric ages, to structural analysis and correlation of rock types, you are shown to be embarrassingly wrong.
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One, since science is hell-bent on old-earth evolution,...
Wonderful. Another non-scientist telling us the motivation for doing science. Basically, an unsupported and wishful assertion.
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... then Pangea had to exist in order for evolution to be true and thus support an ever-so-slow continental drift mythology.
Again, no support. Just assertions. For instance Pangea was only one of such ancient 'supercontinents'. So are you telling me that we really need TWO supercontinents for evolution to be valid?
This is silly. Why couldn't we just make up a story where the continents just bounced off each other but never coalescing? Could it be that this is where the evidence leads us?
Or are you saying that we make up stories because that is what you do?
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Thus plate tectonics has become the adopted bastard theory of geology and is referred to in every geological publication because the Earth is old due to the asinine sea-floor spreading idea.
Nonsense. If that's all the reason for PT, then we could just as easily make up some kind of 'steady state' non-tectonic theory.
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Dammit all to hell if anyone comes along to contradict the pet play toy plate tectonic theory with real scientific observations....
Hey, if you've got some evidence, I'm ready to look at it.
But you don't, do you?
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... forever sending the theory into the throws of pseudo-science making just about the entire scientific community look pretty sheepish. Therefore no one in earth science speaks out against it (yet this is why we have groups like New Concepts in Global Tectonics).
It seems you have an axe to grind. Why not provide us with some evidence?
I'm going to snip the rest of your post. Partly because it seems mostly like a rant with some personal anecdotes; but also because I doubt you will even read this post.

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edge
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Message 289 of 445 (598420)
12-30-2010 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Architect-426
12-29-2010 10:10 PM


Re: Sea-Floor "spreading" is false - Plate Tectonics is finished
As I have already explained to Dr. A, the hands down deal-killer of the PT idea of alleged sea-floor "spreading" lies in the formation of the MOR's. In other words, these massive features in no manner were created by a mm/yr "sprading" of the ocean crust, especially in a "slow" manner (In fact, major geological features could never have been formed in a slow PT manner due to lack of energy).
What energy are you talking about here? As far as I know the driving forces here are thermal.
However, if the MOR formation can be better explained via the compression scenario due to axial loading, and can be modeled as such, then sea-floor "spreading" is indeed false. Do I have proof of this? Yes, and it can be demonstrated.
For example, in construction we design expansion joints in slabs, walls etc. because we know that under certain conditions the concrete (or brick, cmu, etc) will expand. When this expansion occurs, the slab will buckle while also forming cracks (fissures) perpendicular to the load (a result from axial loading).
Okay, dynamically speaking, what is the mechanism of this expansion? Is the earth shrinking? Or is the crust accreting somewhere?
This true observation can be applied to the MOR formation resulting from massive global movements literally compressing the ocean lithosphere into those impressive formations.
Then you will need to explain a number of things. These would include the increasing age of the oceanic crust away from the ridge, the increasn thickness and age of sediments away from the ridge, the pattern of ages in the Hawaiian seamount chain, and the fault plane solutions for faults in the MOR. Why is there an axal valley at the MOR if the crustal plates are converging as you say? Where does the crust go after it collides with the other leading edge of oceanic crust?
Therefore, yes indeed I have a plausible alternative to the PT "spreading" concept. And one that is observed, can be tested and repeated and it makes sense.
Mmm, ... not really.
(In your post you asserted that I'm a "non-scientist", yet architecture embraces all of the sciences.
Okay, so what is your experience with geochronology?
Not to mention that God is The Architect of everything which is confirmed in the Scriptures. He asks Job a rhetorical question; "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare if thou hast understanding". )
So why do you ignore what is actually happening at the mid-ocean ridges and impose your own fantastic solution?

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Message 290 of 445 (598424)
12-30-2010 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Percy
12-30-2010 8:54 AM


Re: Plate Tectonics is a joke - NO VELOCITY to "build"
I'm also curious how "spherical mechanics and displacement completely negate" lateral motion.
I'm sure that architect has no idea about how this works, but I think it has to to with the fact that for plate motion on a sphere, you need to think in terms of spherical geometry.
Basically, when two plates on a sphere are in relative motion, they converge and diverge in arcs. The velocity of convergence varies along the arc.
It is kind of mind bending but, really, it's not a problem for plate tectonics. This has all been worked out despite what architect thinks.

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Message 436 of 445 (614666)
05-05-2011 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 425 by Robert Byers
04-29-2011 2:42 AM


Re: A side note from the admin-mode
Robert Byers writes:
I use the word forces instead of processes because geology is about results in structures of the earth. Chemical breakdown is so minor in affecting the earth structures that in effect its a atomic process on low power merely breaking things done.
Geochemists would be very disappointed in this explanation...
Geology surely is about forces moving things however slow or fast.
And that often has to do with the chemistry of rocks. But, yes, Geology is about many things.
Chemistry is on a boundary of the real segregational divisions here.
Ummmm, sure.
Chemical break down is trivial as any evidence of earth events and processes of note.
Where do you get this stuff?
Geology is about pick axes and dynamite. Not test tubes.
They just have to include it in geology class under a big tent because it rides a boundary in a minor way. not the real mccoy as i see it.
Yes, geology is a very big subject. But I'm not sure of your point here.

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Message 437 of 445 (614668)
05-05-2011 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 421 by Robert Byers
04-27-2011 1:05 AM


Robert Byers writes:
Steve Austin is a great creationist thinker.
Nevins, er... Austin is a great creationist deceiver.
... yet I still say that these dating methods of yours and cooling ideas are not processes that affect anything people understand to be geology.
Well, they seem to be processes that affect things that Robert Byers doesn't understand.

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