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Author Topic:   Crop circles and intelligent design
subbie
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Message 41 of 150 (615955)
05-18-2011 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Peter
05-18-2011 2:48 PM


Re: 100% proof is never needed
I just prefer it when the difference is stated -- rather than saying (e.g.) "I saw a bloke on the telly make one crop circle with a plank and a bit of wood so clearly that's how they were all made."

Well, how about this: I've seen several made by humans, including some that so-called experts later identified as made by extraterrestrials, and I've never seen any evidence whatsoever that any were made by extraterrestrials. Moreover, nobody has ever given a remotely plausible explanation for why a supposedly intelligent alien civilization would travel uncounted light years to come here and frolic in tall grass. Therefore, I conclude they have all been man made.

Is that better?

AbE

If it would make you feel better, I'd be willing to add this: My conclusion is fully supported by all available evidence, but tentative and subject to revision in light of new evidence or a better explanation for the evidence we see should one come along.

Edited by subbie, : As noted


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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Message 43 of 150 (615959)
05-18-2011 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Peter
05-18-2011 3:05 PM


Re: 100% proof is never needed
I'd venture to guess that anyone who has ever dismissed crop circles as pranks holds virtually the same position that I do. They may not often express it all quite as explicitly as I did, but that's the gist of it. The only real question is why you feel this is a topic worthy of this depth of discussion just to sort out a few semantic short cuts.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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Message 50 of 150 (616070)
05-19-2011 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Peter
05-19-2011 7:25 AM


Re: 100% proof is never needed
Peter writes:

Because the opening post is asking why we accept this level of evidence and reasoning for crop circles, but reject it for ID.

We don't. We know crop circles are intelligently designed because we have seen them being designed. We know that there is no intelligent design in biology because all the evidence shows that life evolved.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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Message 55 of 150 (616120)
05-19-2011 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Peter
05-19-2011 11:43 AM


Re: 100% proof is never needed
Peter writes:

Suppose I could create a bacterium in a lab. ... would that mean that all bacteria were created?

No.

Do you have any questions that relate to reality, or are we just having fun with silly games?


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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Message 68 of 150 (616199)
05-20-2011 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Peter
05-20-2011 5:51 AM


Re: 100% proof is never needed
Incorrect, as several have already pointed out to you in this thread.

If you can't be bothered to read what's already been written, what's the point in anyone continuing to try to explain it to you?


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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subbie
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Message 108 of 150 (620445)
06-16-2011 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by AZPaul3
06-15-2011 11:01 PM


Re: Evidenced Speculation
AZPaul3 writes:

The Defense council will kick their teeth in with expert testimony of just how bad human recollection really is.

I don't want to drag this endlessly fascinating thread off topic, but I'm very curious about this statement. Can you give me some instances of this, because I've never heard of a court ruling expert testimony on the reliability of eye witness testimony admissible.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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