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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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So where was the liberal media bias you claim.
What we have found it to boil down too was that most liberals are against ATV in general and looked to stop them where ever they can.
Evidence please? Don't you think it is more of a rural/urban divide? Wisconsin and Minnesota or historically very liberal states, we also ahve a huge # of ATV's. I do not see any "liberal" attempt to ban them. Assertions here but no facts to back them up. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Nobody cares about anything other than America.
The idea that Fox news might not be wholly truthful is compared to "misconceptions" about assault rifles being dangerous.....? I was comparing the banning of 3-wheelers to the banning of assault rifles in that the people who want the bannings don't know shit about what the things are or how to use them. Edited by Catholic Scientist, : typos
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
CS writes: Nobody cares about anything other than America. And we wonder why Americans are considered insular and parochial...?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The people who want to ban "Assault Rifles" don't know the first thing about guns or what makes one more dangerous to another. Don't you think just by calling it an "assault rifle" you've ceded the argument that we're talking about a firearm designed to kill a bunch of people all at once? And given that's the purpose, what's the argument that private ownership of mass murder weapons should be legitimate? I think the best arguments against "assault rifle" bans come in that, as a legal term, it's a bit of a cypher, and trying to ban it by description ropes in legitimate hunting weapons and excludes similar dangerous guns (machine pistols, etc.) But just saying "I love my AK, you can't have it" isn't a reasonable position in a nation with a truly stupefying level of gun crime.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Don't you think just by calling it an "assault rifle" you've ceded the argument that we're talking about a firearm designed to kill a bunch of people all at once? I don't call them assault rifles... hence the scare quotes. Part of the point is that a .22 rifle with a folding stock, front grip, and banana mag would be called an "Assault Rifle" even though it wasn't designed to kill a bunch of people all at once.
I think the best arguments against "assault rifle" bans come in that, as a legal term, it's a bit of a cypher, and trying to ban it by description ropes in legitimate hunting weapons and excludes similar dangerous guns (machine pistols, etc.) That's what I'm gettinge at... "Assaut Rifle" is defined with things like folding stocks, grips and large round mags
But just saying "I love my AK, you can't have it" isn't a reasonable position in a nation with a truly stupefying level of gun crime. Sure, whatever. Out of curiosity, does that level of gun crime include the breaking of inane laws that shouldn't be there in the first place? Or is it limited to just "violence"? Or what?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Part of the point is that a .22 rifle with a folding stock, front grip, and banana mag would be called an "Assault Rifle" even though it wasn't designed to kill a bunch of people all at once. Why don't you think it was designed to kill a bunch of people all at once?
Out of curiosity, does that level of gun crime include the breaking of inane laws that shouldn't be there in the first place? Or is it limited to just "violence"? Or what?
Limit it how you please; there will still be an enormous amount of it.
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ZenMonkey Member (Idle past 4511 days) Posts: 428 From: Portland, OR USA Joined: |
Taz writes: The law should clearly state that if you are a registered news organization then you can't lie. And how exactly do you want to register news organizations, or determine who should be registered and who not? What would registration actually mean? Seems like the First Ammendment might come into play here. Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs. -Theodoric Reality has a well-known liberal bias.-Steven Colbert I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.- John Stuart Mill
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 802 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
And how exactly do you want to register news organizations, or determine who should be registered and who not? My guess would be those organizations that label themselves as news organizations. I think a better option (and directly on topic) would be for certain "news" stations to better and more clearly identify which of their programs were opinion pieces. For example, certain programs are in a time slot that garners a majority of the target viewership where they are looking for news, but they are getting "opinion" labeled as news, on a "news" channel, that claims to be fair and balanced. "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Why don't you think it was designed to kill a bunch of people all at once? Because the guy who made it did it because he like the way that it looked and intended to use it to put holes in paper and never to shoot a person.
Limit it how you please; there will still be an enormous amount of it. Oh well.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Theodoric writes: So where was the liberal media bias you claim.
What we have found it to boil down too was that most liberals are against ATV in general and looked to stop them where ever they can.
Evidence please? Don't you think it is more of a rural/urban divide? Wisconsin and Minnesota or historically very liberal states, we also ahve a huge # of ATV's. I do not see any "liberal" attempt to ban them. Assertions here but no facts to back them up. Yes, that is another smart assumption. And if that is true, then most liberals live urban, not rural. So that point only strengthens my case. The people who made that broadcast were liberals. The people who I know that got atv's banned in the forest behind my house are liberals. And no doubt the dumb ass judges that passed the laws were probably liberals too.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
You still have provided no evidence for any of these assertions. Until you do all this is is bullshit coming from your fingers.
The people who made that broadcast were liberals.
Evidence? Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
ZenMonkey writes:
What the hell is with the slippery slope these days?
And how exactly do you want to register news organizations, or determine who should be registered and who not? What would registration actually mean? Seems like the First Ammendment might come into play here.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4032 Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
riVeRraT writes: Theodoric writes: So where was the liberal media bias you claim.
What we have found it to boil down too was that most liberals are against ATV in general and looked to stop them where ever they can.
Evidence please? Don't you think it is more of a rural/urban divide? Wisconsin and Minnesota or historically very liberal states, we also ahve a huge # of ATV's. I do not see any "liberal" attempt to ban them. Assertions here but no facts to back them up. Yes, that is another smart assumption. And if that is true, then most liberals live urban, not rural. So that point only strengthens my case. The people who made that broadcast were liberals. The people who I know that got atv's banned in the forest behind my house are liberals. And no doubt the dumb ass judges that passed the laws were probably liberals too. ...rat, judges don't pass laws. What defines a "liberal" to you? How do "the people" who made broadcasts and got ATVs banned qualify as "liberals?"
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Theodoric writes: You still have provided no evidence for any of these assertions. Until you do all this is is bullshit coming from your fingers.
The people who made that broadcast were liberals.
Evidence? It's pretty much common knowledge that liberals and tree hugger type people have headed up everything atv-ban related. This is fact, not something I just made up. I am not gonna get into it. Whether or not liberals have done this or not is really not what we were getting at here, it was how the media reports things in a biased manner. The people who wanted atc banned got it, and they did it by lying. You really don't think conservative republican type people would be heading up atv ban stuff? Use your head.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
riVeRraT writes:
You really don't think conservative republican type people would be heading up atv ban stuff? Use your head. Barry Goldwater was a strong supporter of outlawing dune buggies and motorcycles from many of the wilderness areas. I know because I worked with him when I lived in Phoenix about just that issue. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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