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Topic: Fox news = false news
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 45 of 313 (616275)
05-20-2011 5:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 44 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 5:19 PM
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riVeRraT writes:
You really don't think conservative republican type people would be heading up atv ban stuff? Use your head. Barry Goldwater was a strong supporter of outlawing dune buggies and motorcycles from many of the wilderness areas. I know because I worked with him when I lived in Phoenix about just that issue.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 50 of 313 (616282)
05-20-2011 5:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 49 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 5:46 PM
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Twelve year old kids have no business being on an ATV except possibly as a passenger when with a parent. Twelve year old kids have no business being on a jetski except possibly as a passenger when with a parent.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 54 of 313 (616286)
05-20-2011 5:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 51 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 5:56 PM
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riVeRraT writes: jar writes: Twelve year old kids have no business being on an ATV except possibly as a passenger when with a parent. Twelve year old kids have no business being on a jetski except possibly as a passenger when with a parent. Excuse me? Who the fuck are you to tell me or my kids what we can and cannot do? Please move to China, and get out of my America. There are absolutely atv's made for kids 12 and under, and we have every right to ride them. Just because thee is a battery on them is not an excuse to let my kids ride. Now fetus's, they don't belong on atv's so we should just kill them all. It's shit like this that pisses me off. jar you have absolutely no business to tel me how to live my life, or how to raise my kids. Sorry Charlie but guess what, in the US I do have a right to speak. And guess what Charlie, it ain't YOUR America.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 58 of 313 (616290)
05-20-2011 6:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 56 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 6:01 PM
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riVeRraT writes: jar writes: riVeRraT writes: jar writes: Twelve year old kids have no business being on an ATV except possibly as a passenger when with a parent. Twelve year old kids have no business being on a jetski except possibly as a passenger when with a parent. Excuse me? Who the fuck are you to tell me or my kids what we can and cannot do? Please move to China, and get out of my America. There are absolutely atv's made for kids 12 and under, and we have every right to ride them. Just because thee is a battery on them is not an excuse to let my kids ride. Now fetus's, they don't belong on atv's so we should just kill them all. It's shit like this that pisses me off. jar you have absolutely no business to tel me how to live my life, or how to raise my kids. Sorry Charlie but guess what, in the US I do have a right to speak. And guess what Charlie, it ain't YOUR America. It sure as hell is, and you can't tell me what to do. You are being a hypocrite, you do realize this? Of course I can tell you what you SHOULD do. Frankly, I believe that criminal and Child Endangerment charges should be brought against any parent allowing a twelve year old or younger person to operate an ATV or JetSki. How do you like them apples.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 60 of 313 (616293)
05-20-2011 6:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 59 by Rahvin
05-20-2011 6:07 PM
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Rahvin writes: Apparently our friend rat is not only confused about the role of judges in the legislative process, he's also confused about the freedom of speech and the ability of the state to legally restrict some of his behavior, particularly when it comes to endangering children... It is not unusual to find that Americans are totally clueless about the US and it's laws, structure and responsibilities. It is also not unusual to find that the very people that created the media and news mess that exists in the US also seem unaware that they were the very people that created the problem.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 70 of 313 (616304)
05-20-2011 6:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 67 by riVeRraT
05-20-2011 6:33 PM
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Re: Logic, please.
riVeRraT writes: ZenMonkey writes: riVeRaT writes: There is no refuting that liberals (for the most part) head up most of the atv banning type laws. It has always been that way. Those reports on the atc were from CBS news, which has always been liberal/democratic biased. If you live in NY, you just know this. So liberals are behind efforts to ban ATVs. Okay. And CBS is somehow being deceptive or showing a liberal bias by reporting this? Seems to me that either CBS is being accurate and unbiased in reporting what the supposedly liberal anti-ATV crowd was doing, or was showing a liberal bias by reporting something somehow untrue about the anti-ATV crowd. Which is it? They weren't reporting what the anit-atv crowd was doing. They were the anti-atv crowd. When you report things the way you do with a biased towards one side or the other, that bothers me. News should be as unbiased as possible IMO. You do that by comparing apples to apples, and letting both sides of a debatable topic be heard in a non-threatening environment and leave it to the viewer to decide. That report forever changed the minds of a majority of Americans, most of who knows nothing about 3 wheelers. The rest of us who actually ride them accept the dangers involved, and I have yet to meet one single ATC owner that thinks his atc is more dangerous than a 4 wheeler or a dirt bike. Matter fact after 30 years of riding, I did not get hurt until my 600lb 4 wheeler flipped over on me. Wasn't serious, but it hurt more than any other crash I had on a 3 wheeler. Nothing I couldn't just walk away from and keep going. I've been hurt more playing basketball, falling off a ladder at work, and a car crash I was in a long time ago. Should I stop breathing because I might get a whiff of the radiation from Japan? There used to be something called "The Fairness Doctrine" that required offering equal time to opposing viewpoints. There used to be limits on how many media outlets a single voice could control. There used to be a clear line and distinction between reporting news and providing editorial content. There used to be a Chinese Wall between media content and advertising sales. Guess who tore down all of those?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 84 of 313 (616405)
05-21-2011 2:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 83 by Buzsaw
05-21-2011 2:51 PM
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Re: Fair And Balanced News
I asked rat and so I will ask you. There used to be something called "The Fairness Doctrine" that required offering equal time to opposing viewpoints. There used to be limits on how many media outlets a single voice could control. There used to be a clear line and distinction between reporting news and providing editorial content. There used to be a Chinese Wall between media content and advertising sales. Who tore down all of those? Is your definition of "Fair and Balanced" lying grade school playground bullies?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 92 of 313 (616421)
05-21-2011 8:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 89 by Coragyps
05-21-2011 7:09 PM
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Re: Fair And Balanced News
Coragyps writes: As for Soros's aspirations for America Glen Beck will explain it to you if you are interested enough to let him. Glenn Frigging Beck is going to explain something to me? The Glenn Beck that is so fucking loony that even Fox News is letting him go? The Mormon Glenn Beck? Is it true that George Soros is forcing Fox to cancel Glenn Beck?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Catholic Scientist writes: Frankly, I believe that criminal and Child Endangerment charges should be brought against any parent allowing a twelve year old or younger person to operate an ATV or JetSki.  That's insane. I think the first time I rode a dirt bike I was about five years old. I've encounter more injuries from climbing trees. What about allowing kids to climb trees? Is that child endagerment too? Trees and ATVs are two entirely different subjects and magnitudes of risk.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Catholic Scientist writes: Trees and ATVs are two entirely different subjects and magnitudes of risk. Yeah, from my experience, climbing trees is much more risky. If you think allowing children to ride atvs is criminal, then you should think the same of allowing them to climb trees. Drive ATVs, operate ATVs. And no, I do not see climbing trees as anywhere near as dangerous as operating an ATV, nor are the skill sets required comparable.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Catholic Scientist writes: Drive ATVs, operate ATVs. Escalate trees, ascend trees. 
And no, I do not see climbing trees as anywhere near as dangerous as operating an ATV, nor are the skill sets required comparable. Depends on the atv and the tree... But you still have an insane position. You are of course entitled to your position. However, the skill set and the judgement required to operate a motor vehicle are entirely different than those required to climb a tree. In climbing a tree kids tend to exaggerate the risks and so limit actual risk, it is a relatively slow mounting risk set where there are many opportunities for the child to draw back. That is not the case in operating a motor vehicle, be it ATV or JetSki. There things develop rapidly and are way beyond the judgement and skill set of a child under twelve. As a parent, I did tell kids to not climb trees unless I was there to try to supervise, but unless I physically tied them to me, knew I could only try to minimize the risks. Trees are out there. ATVs and JetSkis though are totally in parental control. Kids just can't go out and find an ATV or JetSki growing in the yard. As parents it is our duty to minimize the extent of risk to kids, not eliminate risk because risks are a major learning device. We need to try to make sure that the adverse effects of kids failure as they develop judgement and skill sets is kept within reasonable limits.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Catholic Scientist writes: I'm still not convinced that riding atvs is more dangerous than climbing trees. You're typing as if a little kid can just hop on a 500cc atv and be gowing 100 mph within a few seconds. (I doubt they could even get one of those started.) I'm imagining a little 50cc automatic that putts around and is very easy to operate. That's what little kids ride and those are hardly dangerous at all. But anyways, I can grant you that an atv is more dangerous. Now, where's the criminality? The criminality is the parent irresponsibility.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Catholic Scientist writes: And when the child is riding an atv but the parent is not being irresponsible? Then it will be the parent operating the ATV and the child riding as a passenger wearing full protection clothing.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Catholic Scientist writes: Or it could be the parent responsibly allowing the child to operate the atv by itself. Unless you just want to beg the question? Nope, don't think it could be. The parent needs to understand the physical, emotional and judgement levels of children, and brain, coordination, judgement and experience are simply not there yet for kids that young.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Catholic Scientist writes: The parent needs to understand the physical, emotional and judgement levels of children, and brain, coordination, judgement and experience are simply not there yet for kids that young. Nah, I think they are there and the kids are capable enough. Its really not much different than riding a bicycle. Or do you think you should be 12 to ride one of those too? Bikes too can be dangerous and kids need control and supervision and full protection clothing riding them too. BUT, bikes are no where near the level of risk of an ATV, JetSki or Motorcycle.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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