We are DOOMED, Sat may 21, 2011

Uh oh. Only the KJV is the word of God. The Alexandrian Text is Satanic. Edited by ZenMonkey, : No reason given.Edited by ZenMonkey, : No reason given.

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Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
-Theodoric

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Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven Colbert

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I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill

If you don't want any standards of evidence to apply to such a discussion, what would be the point? All that's left would be dueling assertions and opinions, in which either party could pretty much say whatever he wants and not have to back it up at all.

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Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
-Theodoric

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Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven Colbert

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I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill

It appears to have worked.Macho Man died to save us.

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Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
-Theodoric

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Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven Colbert

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I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill

I think that we've had a conversation like this before in the How Does Republican Platform Help Middle Class? thread, when we hijacked the thread to have it out over whether or not raising a kid to be a racist constituted brainwashing.Of course there's such a thing is criminal speech. If I say "Hey, I'll give you $10,000 to put my boss in the woodchipper," that's a crime, because it's soliciting a criminal act. On the other hand, if I say "Jeez, my boss is an idiot. Work would sure be a better place without him," and you decide on your own to put him in the woodchipper, that's something else entirely. I hope that you can see the fundamental difference.Harold Camping is morally culpable for all the damage he's done, I don't dispute that. And if it can be shown that he intentionally deceived all those rubes to donate their life savings for his billboards, then he'd be legally culpable for defrauding them as well. But (and this is - heh - a big but) that this nutjob woman decided that the best thing to do if the rapture was coming was to cut her daughters' throats instead of, for example, maybe spending the day praying, that's her bad, not his. You'd have to find him on record saying that the best thing for believers to do with their (possibly) non-believer children is to put them in the woodchipper before you could find him responsible for this one woman's botched murder/suicide attempt. (By the way, there's a right way and a wrong way to cut someone's throat, and if you're really serious about murdering your children, then you should at least do a competent job. Also by the way, my saying that is not a criminal incitement to murder.)Criminal speech is criminal because it intentionally incites or solicits a reasonable person to do a criminal act. Stupid or even irresponsible speech that an unreasonable person uses as an excuse to do something heinous is just that, stupid and irresponsible, but not criminal or even legally actionable in a civil court.Just because something is wrong, that doesn't make it illegal, and just becuase something is legal, that doesn't make it right.

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Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
-Theodoric

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Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven Colbert

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I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill

Except that all the big-ticket items were George W Bush's handiwork - the bank bailout (giving tons of money to the same people who wrecked the economy in the first place), the stimulus (I know that my $300 helped turn the economy around), and two illegal wars. All done under the Bush administration.Do you remember that in 2000 the topic of the day was how to spend the surplus that was the legacy of the Clinton administration? The debt wasn't gone, but the deficit had turned into a surplus. That lasted all of 10 months, until Dick "Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney and W started spending money like drunk sailors.There's the real conspiracy. The Republican "Starve The Beast" strategy was to blow the budget, and then use that as an excuse to gut all the programs that restricted the rich, helped the poor and middle class, or made the fundies mad. And it has worked.Take a look at the following chart: Need I spell it out for you? I guess I must. Note how the curve starts to zoom upward under Reagan and Bush Sr., slows down under Clinton, and then shoots the moon once Bush Jr. gets his hands on the steering wheel. It takes some real dedication to go from $6 trillion dollars to over $10 trillion in the space of just 8 years, but they did it.Or in other words:

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Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
-Theodoric

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Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven Colbert

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I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill