Jose Guerena

Did you miss the memo where they got a court order and info that this could be a violent drug dealer? We now know that (1) it's more than likely that it was bad planning on the part of the higher ups and (2) it's beginning to look like they got the wrong house/person. The swat didn't know that.

Crashfrog, if I remember the case correctly, the kid had removed the orange end and the gun was black.

You're missing a big part of the situation. One of the cops tripped on something and fell backward. This made the other cops to think he'd been shot.

I knew better than to mention this to people who don't know about this. It's like trying to explain the ever changing nature of science and scientific uncertainty to someone who thinks the genesis account is better than science because it is ever-unchanging.Nevermind about the whole truth thing. My mistake for bringing it up.

The truth isn't as simple as black and white. And even if you think you know the truth, after a while you will begin to doubt yourself when other accounts come to light.The problem with the way you perceive things is you think cops either tell the truth or they're not.Allow me to bring in a scientific example (this is after all a science forum). Most people think of the world in 3-d. And most people understand 0 dimension (a dot), 1 dimension (a line), 2 dimension (a square), and 3 dimension (a cube). But if you know better, then you will realize that there are in-betweens. Ever heard of fractal dimension?The problem investigators usually run across is they will usually encounter different accounts from witnesses. And I'm talking about both civilians and cops. Nobody's account is 100% reliable. You know what the difference is between civilians and cops? Cops know how to sound more convincing (one of the first lessons I learned in the academy). This came as a shock to me, because I'd always lived my life thinking the best way to make sure you tell the truth is to give yourself a pause to recheck the facts in your mind. What I learned was that that pause, more often than not, is perceived by the public as fabricating facts.The #1 first lesson every cop learns during training and on the job is it is better to appear to tell the truth than to actually tell the truth. I've caught so many cops bullshitting so many times while I was on the job.I'm telling you this because nobody in the world is a mind-reader. After all the "facts" are gathered, the truth is as clear as mud. That's why there is no such thing as the absolute truth. In other words, there's no such thing as twisting the truth if the truth is as clear as mud. That's why cops are so good at presenting all the facts accurate but arranging them in a way that makes the truth appear in their favor.I'm telling you this to warn you not to be so confident with what's truth and what's not. Trust me, you're dealing with professionals who are very good at making themselves look like they're telling the truth.

I've already considered this. However, this is completely unnecessary. They'd already got a court order to look for drugs in his home. Since drug bags come in all sizes and shapes, they'd pretty got the ok to search every inch of his house. The raid while he was inside was completely unnecessary. The only possible advantage of having him around when they do their search is to be able to connect without a doubt him and the drugs. While I was a cop, it was always better catch them with the drugs and get them to admit it was theirs. On more than one occasion I had those dirtbags that denied the drug was theirs even though they were found with them. In fact, I just went back into court last month for a case that I thought was pretty cut and dried. Amazing what defense lawyers can do... It just made things more complicated. I'm thinking the sheriff wanted to make sure guerena was caught red handed with the drugs. This also something that has bothered me for years regarding the system. The truth seems to be a lot less important these days.

Don't put me on a pedestal yet. I firmly believe that we should rid ourselves of the prison system and just put all convicted criminals on an island and let them live happily ever after on their own island nation.

Well, gee, I've never broken any criminal law and I turned out all right. You'd be amazed to find just how easy it is to keep your records clean.

Something you gotta understand about me. I hate lawyers with a passion. And I hate people who take advantage of loopholes. I've lived my life as clean as I could. Heck, I don't even drive more than 10 over the speed limit on the interstate. I don't smoke. I drink responsibly. And most of the time, I'm the designated driver meaning I don't drink at all that night.Like I said, it's not that hard to keep yourself clean. Just live a righteous and honest life. Those who can't shouldn't be breathing the same air I'm breathing.Edit.In fact, I am an advocate of human neuro research for us to identify sociopaths and psychopaths (even the functional ones) so we can tag them and bag them if we need to. And if you're narcissistic enough to think you're better than everyone else and don't need to follow our social and legal laws, then you shouldn't be breathing the same air I'm breathing.Like I said, if you want to do drugs, rape, murder, etc. I say go for it on your own island. It's a simple concept. I'm actually advocating human rights here. Since murderers and rapists have rights, too, they can do whatever the hell they want on their own island. I don't understand why I have to pay my hard-earned money to feed, clothe, and shelter them. It doesn't make sense to me. It also doesn't make sense to me why we want to spend our limited resources on trying to reintroduce them into society. There are children starving all over the world for godssake. And we're spending billions to give murderers and rapists a second, third, forth, chance to rape and murder some more?Vote me in as your god emperor and I'll take responsibility for this. Someone has to.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Go ahead, I don't mind.Conservatives have taught me a very important lesson. It is not ok to yell out personal insults. But it is perfectly acceptable to do worse things by voting to have that person's rights taken away.All my life I've tried to be as righteous, honest, and empathetic as I can. The last thing I want is to hurt anyone unless they deserve it.Republicans (tea baggers) talk on and on about starving the beast. Well, I think the first step we should focus on is literally starve the real beasts of our country. My tax dollars can be put better to use by not feeding and sheltering monsters. I don't understand why I have to work day and night to feed those who decided to not live by the rule of law. And yes, I do work day and night. Just a few nights ago, I didn't live my lab until 4 in the morning.Anyway, THIS JUST IN, absolutely no drugs or cash was found in Guerena's home!http://www.kgun9.com/...nts-answer-questions-about-swat-raidAgain, in this new press release, the sheriff again tried to paint a wrong picture of Guerena by stressing that he had guns and body armor in his home, none of which was illegal. Ever heard of poisoning the well?It's like saying the followingDid glenn beck rape and murder a girl in 1990? I'm not saying he did, but it raises an interesting issue.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Haha, ok. Correction, I've never been accused or convicted of violating any criminal law. And the last time I got a ticket for violation of a traffic law was more than 6 or 7 years ago.I'm not looking for perfection here. But there's a clear difference between someone like myself who has tried to live life as righteous and law-abiding as I could and someone who preys on others and take advantage of loop holes. Surely, even someone as anti-establishment as yourself understands this difference.

Funny how you mentioned this.So, when I was a rookie (straight out of the academy) I went to court for a DUI I caught. This guy probably realized I was a rookie so he really really tried to fight the DUI. In court, the lawyer asked me "officer, did you break any law in the last 48 hours?" When a question is asked like that, most people would think of criminal law, not traffic law. With confidence, I said no. As soon as I said that, he asked me "so, you did not go over the speed limit at all in the last 48 hours?" As soon as he said that, in my head I was screaming "oh shit, oh shit, oh shit...."You're a funny person, sometimes, you know that? I've noticed that those who are on the side that's desperate tend to start nitpicking his way out. So... are you telling me you see no difference between traffic law and criminal law? Yup, and I want them all on their own little island so they can rape, murder, and rob each other all they want.

Ok, so let me get this straight. Someone goes into a 7 11 and rob the cashier at gun point is the same as me driving 7 over the speed limit. Is that what you're telling me? Have you ever studied law, crash? I have that big blue book. There are certain levels of offenses. Everything from traffic violation to class B misdemeanor to class A felony, and everything in between.Are you telling me there is no difference between an armed robber and a person driving 7 over the speed limit? Same island.Added by edit.Me bringing up driving over the speed limit was to show you I'm not a perfectionist by any definition. I very much support leniency as far as violations go. But come on, you honestly can't tell the difference between an armed robber and a speeder?Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

This is perhaps civilian misunderstanding of the law at its worst. Sorry, but this doesn't even warrant a response from me. If you can't tell the difference between different levels of offense, then there's no point for me to continue this further. Actually, no. But it does spell out specifically that enforcing traffic laws are at the discretion of LEO's.Again, see the difference between tea party sensationalist language and reality? Aren't you glad you didn't go into law? LOLEdited by Taz, : changed worse to worst... must be losing my language part of the brain....

My weakness. Again, you've taken my words out of context.I have spent a considerable number of posts trying to point out that there are clear differences between different levels of offenses. And as such, there are clear differences between levels of loopholes.Are you seriously comparing someone getting off with murder because of technicalities and me speeding 7 over the speed limit?How long will you continue with this childish behavior? Um, no. The law clearly spells out what's at the discretion of the law enforcement officers and what's not.You really do need to try to get to know some of this stuff before you decide to further sound like an expert in copery. Yeah, you're impressing a lot of people the same way that kent hovind impressed a lot of creationists.