Has the bias made this forum essentially irrelevant?

First, you were never here to debate. You are here to incite, insult then whine about the results. Second, I suppose you could leave.

Come on, slevesque. You already know how terribly wrong this is. You should already know the push back on this.The evidence does lead. The interpretations of evidence and thus the conclusions reached MUST reflect the reality presented by the evidence.Science follows the evidence, interprets the results and draws conclusions. Peer Review, in the case of evolution 10s of thousands of knowledge experts over some 8 generations now, assure the logic of the interpretation and the viability of the conclusions reached by re-analyzing the evidence, the interpretations and the conclusions reached by others. This process gives us a very high confidence level in the quality of the interpretations and the conclusions. So high that Evolution is a demonstrable fact of life on this planet whether anyone cares to believe or not.The evidence leads, followed by interpretation then conclusions.With creationism/creation science/ID the flow is just backwards. Your conclusions have already been set out for you. And set out not by you or any "creation scientist" looking at evidence but by faith in a myth. Your "interpretation" involves accepting that evidence that does not conflict with your myth, obfuscating other evidence to twist it into a form acceptable to your myth and ignoring any other evidence that contradicts your myth's preset conclusions.

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By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record.

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The scientific aspects of creation are important, but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer, and Judge.

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These statements of faith are found at all creationist websites from AIG to ICR to Discovery Institute and beyond.Conclusions predetermined followed by cherry picking, lying and ignoring the evidence.This is not some philosophical difference in how to interpret the same set of facts. This is a blatant display of intellectual dishonesty. To make your Dawkins analogy accurate you need to state that Detective Dawkins is looking at the forensics evidence to reach his conclusions while the other detective, looking at the same evidence, is basing his interpretation on the revelations he recieved this morning from his chocolate chip cookie."Deluded, stupid or a liar" is a rather mild response. Edited by AZPaul3, : the usual culpritsEdited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Edited by AZPaul3, : Title change

Indeed there are. The difference is that when the evidence leads them to some other conclusion, they follow. They (usually) do not, as you creationists always do, ignore or lie about the evidence to reach some errant conclusion. If a real scientist does ignore, lie, fake data like a creationist does then he will be found out and his career is over. Which is indeed the case, except the creationist agenda is evil. You want a theocracy in which you can brainwash children into your cult and burn and eat the rest of us.Make no mistake about this. If christians had their way in this society they would be burning scientists, jews, moslems, witches and democrates at the stake every weekend. It is part of your history and the only thing keeping you from doing so now is the prospect of some secular judge throwing your ass in jail. Because the motivation is there, and it is evil. And with good reason. Your purpose is anti-intellectual, anti-reality, anti-humanity. (parentisies mine)In spades, bucky. We do. You just don't care to see it.What you are looking for by this statement is to justify adding your creationist mythology to the explanation in a vailed attempt to proselytize the children to the detriment of our species. Transparancy? Science is the most open philosophy in existance. The papers, studies, raw data, all of it is open and public for all the world to see. We are not the ones hiding our purpose behind some secret "Wedge Document." You are. And how would you know? You have no experience with honesty or morality. You're a creationist, for god sake. These things are far outside your intellectual capability.

Now why in god's name would I want to do something as stupid as this?Anyone who has studied the area in the least knows that it is an intricate amalgom of thousands of different facts from more than a half dozen scientific disciplines none more or less important than any of the others.Synergy. The whole is the greater. You want to fight Evolution you have to fight all of it, not just pieces-parts. I'm surprised Percy let himself get ensnared by your stupid little attempt at a trap.Just for jollies, though, I will throw out this one fact in Evolution's favor that I find one of the most compelling.It POs creationists. That is worth a whole lot.

It took me a while, Percy, but I managed to overcome the burning desire to say ... something ... er ... not too flattering toward my fellow guest in your home.Let me help you in your effort to get this thread back on topic.

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Has the bias made this forum essentially irrelevant?

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BD's entire OP is irrelevant. He is a god awful creationist with delusions of intellect so our expectations of him were quite low to begin with ... and he has lived up to those expectations.Does this help?