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Taz
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Message 87 of 116 (618193)
06-02-2011 12:53 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by williamblake
06-02-2011 12:48 AM


Re: Be Afraid
In other news, the pope is catholic.

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Taz
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Message 89 of 116 (618199)
06-02-2011 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Jaderis
06-02-2011 2:20 AM


Re: Really
Jaderis writes:
You made no distinction between criminals until later when you were called on your own criminal offenses.
This is getting old. Speeding is not a criminal offense. It is spelled out very clearly in the law book.
Please read through my posts again. Driving 7 over the speed limit is not a criminal offense by any stretch of imagination.
Isn't there someone else you can go and pester? This nitpicking by law dummies such as yourself is getting old.
If you don't believe me, just contact your sheriff office or even lawyer and try to make the argument that driving 7 over is a criminal offense. Try to count how many minutes they will laugh into your face.
In many states someone who is going more than 20 or 30 miles over the limit is guilty of "reckless driving" which, in most cases, is a felony and can, arguably, be akin to assault (threat of violence).
(1) The conversation between crash and I was dealing with driving 7 over, not 20 or 30 over.
(2) It requires several very specific combination of traffic offenses for it to be labeled as reckless driving. My god, did everyone just become a damn law scholar over night?
(3) As I have been trying to explain to crashfrog all this time, which crash has refused to acknowledge (aka lie), there are varying levels of offenses and varying levels of loopholes. Crash was trying to make the point that ALL offenses are equal. Meaning going just 1 mph over the speed limit is a criminal offense. Despite me trying to convince him that going 1 over isn't a criminal offense, he's been pretending not to see my point. Please tell me you're not going to play the same silly game.
Anyway, if you're going to jump in our conversation, at least try to read what we've said so far. Since I've asked you nicely to do this, anything else you say that's not accurate I will assume to be a lie. That makes you a liar. So, please, don't try to play crash's game with me.
You say that we laypeople don't understand what you are trying to convey and you now regret revealing the intricacies of the police mind to the civvies, but we understand all too well. The law is only the law when LEO's say it is, right? And that means that those who enforce the law are above it (discounting the most egregious crimes....sometimes).
The only regret I feel is mentioning something I knew you wouldn't understand.
Please point out to me where I said the law is only the law when LEO's say so. Yes, I did say that there are certain traffic laws that are at the discretion of LEO's and these laws are spelled out very specifically. For example, technically, a cop could pull you over and give you a ticket for going over the line twice. No cop I know of will do this, and the law does specifically say that it is at the discretion of the police. Now, if a person is arrested for DUI, then among his tickets will be one for improper lane usage (going over the line twice or more).
Again, did everyone just become a liar and a law scholar? Do you feel comfortable lying like this?
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Taz
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Message 94 of 116 (618249)
06-02-2011 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by New Cat's Eye
06-02-2011 10:11 AM


Re: Really
CS writes:
The point you're missing is that all laws are expected to be followed.
Since when did we become a strict authoritarian state? Not all laws are equal. In fact, there are many laws in the law book that haven't been followed for a couple generations. Usually, these outdated laws were created for a specific purpose and then people forgot about them.
Its hypocritical of you to despise loopholes and speed slow enough that you won't get a ticket.
No, it is not. I have stated very clearly that I'm not a perfectionist by any stretch of imagination. And as such, I don't expect perfection from anybody. I think many offenses are forgivable and can get away with a slap on the wrist. Most of such offenses were committed either by mistake, absent-mindedness, or just plain stupidity.
But there are offenses that we know for sure weren't a mistake when they were committed. In fact, they were committed through careful planning and malice.
Again, going 7 over is not a criminal offense by any stretch of imagination.
Since when did we become a white and black society? Either we follow all laws or we don't follow them at all. Either everyone goes to a criminal island or nobody goes. Either you are a criminal or you're not.
Are you willing to admit that you're putting words in my mouth and that you're trying to make me into some kind of hypocritical perfectionist?

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
From: Zerus
Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 95 of 116 (618250)
06-02-2011 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by New Cat's Eye
06-02-2011 12:04 PM


Re: Really
Yes, CS, take my quote completely out of context. Ignore everything I said around that quote.
What you're doing is citing these quotes as if they were in a vacuum. It is incredibly easy to make a person say something they're not saying by doing this.
Lying must be a new fad these days with catholics on motorcycles.

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
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Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 98 of 116 (618269)
06-02-2011 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by New Cat's Eye
06-02-2011 1:55 PM


Re: Really
Now you're just rambling. I really had trouble following you this time.
Anyway, take a look at this case.
Sex offender gets life sentence for abduction, rape of Jaycee Dugard
Now that the guy has been sentenced to life imprison, I don't understand why I have to feed, clothe, and shelter him. A life sentence is just that. It's using my tax dollars to let him live a relatively comfortable life till he dies.
But not speeding 7 miles over the limit....
You're going on a limb here. Again, go back and read the conversation between crash and I. Crash made the ridiculous statement that going just 1 over the speed limit makes me a criminal. He claims to see no distinction between going just 1 over the speed limit and committing a criminal offense like armed robbery. Are you going to start doing the same thing? Are you going to claim that all offenses are equal? Because that's what you're starting to sound like.
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Taz
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Posts: 5069
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Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 100 of 116 (618273)
06-02-2011 2:52 PM


Here is the wiki article about the kidnapping of Jaycee Dugard. Sad story.
Kidnapping of Jaycee Dugard - Wikipedia
So, basically, this guy had a history of sexual assault on young girls. He was sent to prison where my parents' tax dollars paid for his comfort, promptly released, allowed more opportunities to commit more sexual assaults, etc. He then kidnapped a 5th grader and kept her in a tent in his backyard for 18 years.
And now, my tax dollars will be used to feed and shelter him for the rest of his life.
This makes no sense to me. And according to crashfrog and CS, apparently there's no difference between me speeding 7 over and this guy's lifetime of criminal activity.

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Taz
Member (Idle past 3319 days)
Posts: 5069
From: Zerus
Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 102 of 116 (618296)
06-02-2011 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by New Cat's Eye
06-02-2011 2:54 PM


Re-read the messages. Crash has made it perfectly clear that me speeding just a couple miles over the speed limit makes me a criminal. You have made it clear that you're arguing along the same line as crashfrog.
What, you're going to play semantics with me now?
Edit.
This is not to mention that both your and crashfrog's entire argument rests on a fallacy. Ever heard of tu quoque?
Rather than addressing my main points, you two are trying to divert attention away from my main points and keep trying to make this ridiculous argument that I'm a criminal for speeding even a couple mph over the speed limit.
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