So Just How is ID's Supernatural-based Science Supposed to Work? (SUM. MESSAGES ONLY)

Oh jeez not this again Buz...... Yes it does. That is your problem. The bar is straight. In curved space. In what other way could it be straight if not in space whatever shape that space may be? Maybe a better question would be what property you think the bar has that will allow it to not follow the path of curved space?Your problem is that you are thinking of a bent bar in the sense of superman or somebody bending a straight bar by making on side longer than the other (think about it!)A straight bar in curved spacetime has the two sides of the bar exactly the same length by any method of measurement made within that space. There are. The problem is that you don't understand them and don't really want to undestand them.Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

Dude calm down. You will give yourself an aneurysm The world of reality disagrees. Tested, experimentally verified, predcited phenomenon. Trumps limited human perception and even so-called common-sense everytime. Truth is often stranger than fiction eh? Personally I like it that way. But you believe whatever you need to in order to avoid that aneurysm.

As I have pointed out to you previously - Everybody here accepts that there are things which science has not yet explained. So by your pointlessly all-encompassing-to-the-point-of-meaningless definition everybody here (not to mention the likes of Richard Dawkins and James Randi) are ardent believers in the existence of the supernatural.If you insist on applying your own personal definition to everyone elses arguments you are going to do nothing but disrupt threads with your semantic nonsense. I have also pointed out to you that evidence based investigation isn't in the business of proof.

So what is it you think science can "prove" regarding the actuality of things which are defined (by humans) as being materially inexplicable and unfalsifiable?Concepts that are defined to be unfalsifiable (Whether it be Allah, Vishnu or Last Thursdayism) are abundant.But science need pay no heed to such things beyond vague philosophical recognition of their unfalsifiability.If Last Thursdayism is correct then Evolution is necessarily false. But as far as science is concerned - So what? Why even consider the baseless beliefs of those who treat falsification as the be-all-and-end-all of scientific endevour? They are just deluding themselves with the comforting notion that "My belief can't be falsified therefore it is as justified as any other".

Do you think that human belief in the existence of something constitutues evidence in favour of that thing actually existing?Why exactly are human beliefs even relevant to "Supernatural Science"....?

Are you suggesting that because lots of people believe in something and invest their money in validating their belief in that thing that those beliefs are evidenced as a result? Is the scientologist belief in thetans evidenced on this same basis? How can you not see how only good can come from acknowledgment of the potential existence of an Immaterial Pink Unicorn that will bless the good and punish the wicked? Are you afraid of the positively evidenced but tentative conclsion that the whole idea of an inherently materially inexplicable entity that constitutes this supernatural "greater intelligence" is nothing more than a product of human imagination?

In the meantime all of the reliable positive evidence available to us suggest that gods are products of the human mind rather than real entities.