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Author Topic:   So Just How is ID's Supernatural-based Science Supposed to Work? (SUM. MESSAGES ONLY)
jar
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Message 331 of 396 (618312)
06-02-2011 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by tesla
06-02-2011 4:54 PM


Re: open minded debate
tesla writes:
If you do not have evidence that God or superior consciousness or supernatural even exist then there is NOTHING to investigate.
Do you have evidence that dark matter exists? oh I guess that means there is nothing to investigate then huh?
Of course there is evidence that Dark Matter exists, In fact it was the evidence that there was more matter in the universe than could be accounted for by the visible matter that began the study.
And that is precisely the difference.
If there was evidence that anything like "that God or superior consciousness or supernatural" existed comparable to the evidence that began the search for Dark Matter then there might be something to investigate.
So is there anything comparable to the evidence that exists for Dark Matter or God or superior consciousness or supernatural?

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jar
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Message 333 of 396 (618315)
06-02-2011 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by tesla
06-02-2011 5:13 PM


Why we are investigating Dark Matter
tesla writes:
Of course there is evidence that Dark Matter exists, In fact it was the evidence that there was more matter in the universe than could be accounted for by the visible matter that began the study.
Oh, so you mean they said : hey there is something missing let’s give it a name and research it.
So absence of evidence justified looking.
Um...hello...are you in there?
I'm sorry but that is simply a totally false post, filled with errors and a lack of reasoning or understanding.
There was evidence, the gravitational attraction was there. There was evidence, lots of evidence, confirmed by observation after observation, that there was more mass out there than could be seen. The evidence was there. There had to be something other than just the visible matter we could see.
It was not the absence of evidence that started the investigation but rather lots of evidence.
So is there anything comparable to the evidence that exists for Dark Matter or God or superior consciousness or supernatural?
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Message 343 of 396 (618344)
06-02-2011 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by tesla
06-02-2011 7:46 PM


Re: open minded debate
tesla writes:
In the meantime all of the reliable positive evidence available to us suggest that gods are products of the human mind rather than real entities.
To be honest: There is no scientific evidence that explains anything concerning events labeled 'Supernatural'.
Is there any evidence there even is anything supernatural?
If there is no evidence something even exists then there is nothing to investigate.

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jar
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Message 345 of 396 (618348)
06-02-2011 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 344 by tesla
06-02-2011 8:03 PM


Re: open minded debate
tesla writes:
Is there any evidence there even is anything supernatural?
That’s already been covered in this thread.
then it should be easy to provide links to the posts where that is covered.

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jar
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Message 352 of 396 (618360)
06-02-2011 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 350 by Panda
06-02-2011 9:01 PM


Re: open minded debate
Panda writes:
tesla writes:
There is enough belief that consciousness is outside of the realm of today’s science to validate research into the subject.
If consciousness is outside of the realm of today's science, what are you going to use to research consciousness?
What is even funnier is his assertion that "consciousness is outside of the realm of today’s science" yet if you go to Google Scholar and enter "consciousness" you get "Results 1 - 10 of about 1,950,000. (0.08 sec)"
One million nine hundred fifty thousand returns hardly looks like science knows that "consciousness" is outside the realm of today's science.

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jar
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Message 360 of 396 (618413)
06-03-2011 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 358 by tesla
06-03-2011 9:42 AM


a nonsense research proposal
tesla writes:
Hypothetically, if a recognized University offered to the world:
"We have a proposal on the table to research how consciousness works at the physics level to give insight into supernatural phenomenon in the hopes to understand how God could be communicating. If this is an area that the public would like scientifically explored, we ask for funding for the project"
Sorry but what is a supernatural phenomenon?
Is there any evidence such a thing exists?
Is there any evidence that there is some God or that that God communicates with anyone?
I think such a proposal would and should simply be met with laughter.

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jar
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Message 364 of 396 (618423)
06-03-2011 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 362 by tesla
06-03-2011 10:03 AM


Re: a nonsense research proposal
tesla writes:
Sorry but what is a supernatural phenomenon?
Is there any evidence such a thing exists?
Words represent something. Maybe you should define the words?
I would be happy to if there was some evidence such a thing existed so I could try to describe it.
Did you not post:
tesla writes:
"We have a proposal on the table to research how consciousness works at the physics level to give insight into supernatural phenomenon in the hopes to understand how God could be communicating. If this is an area that the public would like scientifically explored, we ask for funding for the project"
Note the underlined words.
You are making an assertion that supernatural phenomenon exist and that God communicates.
They are YOUR assertions.
I am simply asking for evidence at least comparable to what has been seen for Dark Matter that such critters even exist.
Unless there is some evidence something exists, how can one research it?

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jar
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Message 393 of 396 (618738)
06-05-2011 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 392 by marc9000
06-05-2011 9:35 PM


Re: Summation
marc9000 writes:
Christians disagree on many things because they think for themselves, while evolutionists agree on most things because they all get their instructions from the scientific community, talkorigins, and other atheist organizations.
Once again you simply post total falsehoods and misrepresentation, which is what we have learned to expect from you.
Many of the recognized Christian Churches understand that Evolution is a fact and that the Theory of Evolution is the only model that explains the variety of life seen today and in the past and to imply that it is some atheistic position is simply false and this has been pointed out to you many times.
In the words of the Clergy letter signed by over 12,000 US Clergy:
quote:
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as one theory among others is to deliberately embrace scientific *** and transmit such *** to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.
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