But despite Robert Heinlein's observation about trying to teach a pig to sing ("besides, it annoys the pig"), there is also the chance that he just might learn something.
Back circa 1984, I met my first real-life creationist, a co-worker named Charles. My first question was whether Christianity condoned lying, since I had just learned of Duane Gish admitting that their Bombadier Beetle claim is false, but then continuing to use it thereafter. Charles' response was that of course lying was not condoned and that Gish was his hero. We talked off and on and then in 1985 when Gish and Henry Morris were going to debate Thwaites and Awbrey in Long Beach, CA, I told him about it and we bumped into each other at the debate. Of course, the merchant tables were covered with books about "Bomby" and poor Charles just wanted to be somewhere else. That was my first debate and it was also where I heard Morris use his "NASA document" moondust claim -- but that's another long and glorious story.
On our way out after the debate, Charles was in shock and kept mumbling, "We have mountains of evidence. Why didn't they show any of it? We have mountains of evidence. Why didn't they show any of it? We have ... " Shortly thereafter, Weinberger cancelled our contract and we all departed to seek employment elsewhere. Six years later when I was taking a C++ night class (shifting from Pascal to C/C++), we bumped into each other again. He was still a fundamentalist Christian, but he was thoroughly disgusted with creationists and want to have nothing whatsover to do with them. I count that as a win.
You mean he's trying to "smile us out the door"? Most likely. It's a common response when one suddenly finds oneself way out of one's depth. At least he's not responding with deep and hostile denial, which indicates to me that he's very new to the fray and this is very likely the first time that he's discovering that might be something wrong with all the nonsense that they've been feeding him. It does take time for someone to process that kind of information, so I wouldn't expect him to come to his sense immediately. Plus, his stated age is 20, so he knows everything; to repeat a quotation attributed to Mark Twain:
quote:When I was 18, I thought my father was the stupidest man who had ever walked this earth. But when I was 21, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just three years.
Even if it takes years for it to sink in, if he ends up learning something then that will be an accomplishment.
Now in response to his statement on that other forum in the The problem with carbon 14 and other radiometric dating topic:
Im not sure which direction its going (getting faster or slower) But i would say there is good case to say the speed of light is not a constant
If you are traveling at 60mph in your car down the road and you flick your headlights on, wouldnt the light from the headlights be doing the speed of light plus 60?
In response I'm going to prepare to chat with him about relativity, Marilyn Monroe, Doppler, refraction, radar, emission lines, and long long ago in a galaxy far far away. But not about Heisenberg uncertainty. Should be up by the end of the day.
Is it just me, or was I starting to channel James Burke?
also this forum will not be abandoned with the next few weeks, i will keep running my site and making improvements in the best way i can
I know that nuts is no longer present, but I was just taking a walk down memory lane. I'm in the midst of writing a web page about the bogus claim about the slowing down of the earth's rotation (yes, it is indeed slowing down overall, but a rate that's about 1/33,000-th what creationists claim) and I remembered a classic crazynutsx SNAFU that I wanted to include. We "discussed" that claim at http://creationvsevolution.freeforums.org/...g-down-t66.html -- actually, I had to explain everything to him while he "responded" by posting other people's writing that he plagiarized, his usual MO. At one point, he plagiarized yet again in an attempt to defend the claim, but ironically he had lifted it from the classic refutation of the claim, As the World Turns: Can Creationists Keep Time? by Thwaites and Awbrey (Creation/Evolution, Issue IX, Summer 1982, pp.18-22). Unfortunately, towards the end he started deleting messages that he didn't like, which included that one.
Shortly thereafter, he abandoned his forum as well as attempting to discuss creation/evolution, it would appear. He was clearly way over his head and finally realized it. Then several months later new messages started appearing in Japanese (ie, using Kanji and Kana) and the forum ended up being taken over completely by Japanese. Today, Chrome offered to translate for me and the topics appeared to be mainly about golf and clothing.
Then dad joined Crazynutsx' Long Abandoned Web Site
Some of you might remember an adolescent creationist who joined briefly in 2011, mainly to promote a creation/evolution forum he had set up at http://creationvsevolution.freeforums.org/. From the UK, claimed to be 20 years old, though many members placed his age as being at least half a decade less (I've seen too many sad cases that support his claim). He was also heavily into video gaming and if you Google on him that mainly what you find. He only lasted here from 18 May 2011 to 13 June 2011, so for less than a month. However, he had moved all his cre-ev activity that I know of to his own forum, which he abandoned around Sep 2011.
After he ran away from his own forum, some of us continued to use it into about 2013, usually because somebody new would join and we would respond to them. Then, as I reported in Message 109 immediately above, the site was suddenly taken over by Japanese hackers -- even though Japanese is written with Chinese characters such that by learning the one language you can read the other for the most part, you can identify text as being in Japanese because of the inclusion of Kana which are phonetic and uniquely Japanese though some Chinese territories formerly occupied by the Japanese might have retained some of it (hiragana is used mainly for grammatical markers (eg, "no" meaning "of") and katakana for phonetically spelling out foreign words (eg, "dansu" for European style dance as in the internationally popular 1996 movie, "Shall We Dansu?"). The new Japanese content appeared to mainly discuss golf (so popular and important that Japanese businessmen would fly to Hawaii just to go golfing which was cheaper than trying to golf in Japan) and clothing fashion. I also saw ads for a dentist in Japan.
Back in early May 2019, our very own former member, dad, showed up at that forum and posted a couple messages: one was a failed attempt to start a discussion, the second was to try to explain away the logistical problems of Noah's Ark. Then more than half a year later (ie, Feb 2020) he returned with more nonsense about how completely different everything was different in the ante-diluvial "different nature" in exactly the manner he needed to hand-wave all difficulties away by such an amazing coincidence.
It has been observed that nothing that has ever been posted on the Internet every goes away. Has that effect been given a name?
In the meantime, we haven't seen hide nor hair of dad since 23-Jul-2020 15:01 PDT (I would assume since I'm logged in).