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Author Topic:   Are Atheists "Philosophically Limited"....?
frako
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Message 5 of 262 (618523)
06-03-2011 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by tesla
06-03-2011 5:27 PM


Re: Are Atheists "Philosophically Limited"....?
Well most atheists actualy do allow the possibility of god its just that that possibility given the evidence is so miniscule it can be discarded.
If you take philosophy from Greek philoshophia, witch means love of wisdom i think atheists excel in that because we always want to know more and we know that we do not know everything. Core structures of wisdom.
Where most theists differ they KNOW how everything began its purpose, And they think one does not need to know more then what their scripture says the opposite of wisdom.

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frako
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Message 7 of 262 (618534)
06-03-2011 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by GDR
06-03-2011 6:49 PM


Re: Are Atheists "Philosophically Limited"....?
Lets say one day science finds irrefutable evidence (and about half the amount we have for evolution) for god most atheists would say damm we where wrong praise zeus, or whoever the god would be.
On the other hand we can see what is happening with theists when science finds anwsers for questions like why do rainbows appear, the procces of how life began and evolved.... Theists tend to either take a step back and use the god of the gaps argument, or they tend to discredit scientific claims (poorly i might add)
Doesn't look like a love of wisdom to me.
Now dont get me wrong you haveto question everything that's how science works that is how humanity gains knowledge, that is how we are able to stand on the shoulders of giants because every block of our knowlage is tested to scrutiny and every generation can see farther.
The difference is admitting one is wrong hawking was wrong on one of his theories his flaw was pointed out by a plumber and hawking admitted he was wrong. When has a creationist admitted he was wrong.

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frako
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Message 16 of 262 (618643)
06-04-2011 2:11 PM
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06-04-2011 2:45 AM


Re: Are Atheists "Philosophically Limited"....?
Presumably, and correct me if I'm wrong, an atheist would be by definition a materialist. If that is the case then they would have no use for philosophy and would thus be limited in that department.
In philosophy, the theory of materialism holds that the only thing that exists is matter; that all things are composed of material and all phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material interactions. In other words, matter is the only substance.
Materialism - Wikipedia
Materialism is a philosophy so how can someone that follows a philosophy be philosophically limited?

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frako
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Message 154 of 262 (723713)
04-06-2014 6:42 PM
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04-06-2014 6:11 PM


Re: How Atheists Saved Philosophy
This is a perfect example of an unwillingness to admit the possibility that perhaps you don't hold all the answers. Despite your speech of "embracing ignorance," you do not actually do this. You have presupposed that you are indeed, the correct perspective, and the theist position is fantasy.
This is interesting to me because many prolific atheists would actually agree that we do not hold all the answers, and base their argument on the non-existence of God on the assertion that the nature/existence of God cannot be known, and therefore we cannot know that the Judeo-Christian God exists alone, or ITS nature, or whether or not multiple God's exist, etc. Here are a couple examples of atheists debated by Matt Slick, the director of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry:
Im an atheist that believes believing in a god is silly, stupid and childish. But i don't totally discount the possibility of god, but keep in mind its on the same level as i cant discount the possibility of a teapot orbiting Jupiter.
As long as there is no direct evidence pointing to a god, or a teapot orbiting Jupiter there is no reason to believe that either exist and its completely unreasonable to alter your life to the possibility that either exist. Just because there are gaps in our knowledge (we don't know everything that is orbiting Jupiter for example) , that does not mean we can just make it up as we go along.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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frako
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Message 161 of 262 (723728)
04-07-2014 3:57 AM
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04-06-2014 8:02 PM


Re: How Atheists Saved Philosophy
Then and only then would that be an accurate comparison. Can provide facts to back up my little allegory if needed
Yea ancient writings don't count for much, we have ancient writings about dragons, comets being messengers of gods, crackens, monsters, .... and gods all belong on the same shelf fiction
I can also provide facts to back this up.
We're not making it up as we go along . The teapot has appeared. We have seen him, in the words of John (1 John 1:3, John 21:24). It's not conjecture. It's not musings. It's testimony.
So did Hercules, its testimony not a made up story about a demi god.
But despite all of the evidence it is still a matter of faith for me, and I am willing to be 100% incorrect. I have enough faith to be wrong about my faith. The question, then, is do you have enough faith in what reason says is reality to entertain the thought that the gaps in our knowledge are big enough to include God. Not church. Not a building. Or a set of rules. Not a prayer. Not Christians, or Jews, or Muslims, but God
Maby 30 years ago but nowadays the gap would be in the abstract time before time in the space before space. In the words of your fellow believers god is outside the universe (universe being everything that exists )
Look sure we could be wrong, we could all have been created with the memories we have 5 minutes ago. but without something tangible, (discovering the previous statement in 5000 years would still not make it tangible) there is no point in speculating or believing in a god like creature. Now if say tomorrow the stars realigned to spell out im god and im here that would be tangible, if in our DNA we found a writing "made by god", that would be tangible, if tomorrow the news would interview someone near Niagara falls and he would say look im the son of god taste of the waters they are now wine and the whole bloody river turns to wine, sure praise the lord. But if you think ancient text are so reliable make sure you go kill a pigeon after your next surgery or it wont work and youl still be sick, it was all written down nicely by the Romans.

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frako
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Message 167 of 262 (723782)
04-08-2014 12:13 PM
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04-08-2014 10:56 AM


Re: I accept. Thank you.
No matter how much he examines the assembly line it isn't go to lead him to the designer of that particular automobile assembly line let alone Henry Ford who designed the first one.
Yea but then he looks at a robot on the assembly line and it has some strange hieroglyphic on it it says Ford, not knowing what that is he looks around the assembly line and finds a picture of a man with a car and the same name hieroglyphic ford. And everywhere he finds that picture it has the same hieroglyphic ford what could it be and he concluded that that spells out the name of someone connected with the assembly line. But lacking a Rosetta stone to translate the language he can never be sure but it is a reasonable guess (hypothesis) as it is based on tangible evidence.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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