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Topic: So Just How is ID's Supernatural-based Science Supposed to Work? (SUM. MESSAGES ONLY)
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 274 of 396 (618010)
05-31-2011 9:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 273 by tesla
05-31-2011 9:30 PM
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Re: open minded debate
tesla writes: No? Sorry if I seem a little disgruntled. I have been arguing the definition of supernatural for two days and I am now convinced no one here understands English. So you think it is not you: it is everyone else? I continue to feel that my decision to stop discussing supernatural phenomena with you has been thoroughly validated.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 283 of 396 (618107)
06-01-2011 12:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 282 by tesla
06-01-2011 12:13 PM
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Re: open minded debate
Do you think that these 2 sentences contradict each other? My parrot is blue. My parrot is not blue.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 293 of 396 (618131)
06-01-2011 2:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 285 by tesla
06-01-2011 12:31 PM
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Re: open minded debate
tesla writes: That depends on the reader. My parrot is blue: depressed My parrot is not blue: [My parrot] is not the color blue.
Wrong! Don't you know what the meaning of blue is? Am I the only one that can speak English here? My parrot IS the colour blue!! My parrot IS NOT depressed!! Can't you understand English!!?!??! /caricature off .......and that is what your posts have been like.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 306 of 396 (618161)
06-01-2011 5:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 303 by tesla
06-01-2011 4:57 PM
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Re: open minded debate
tesla writes: LMAO Your cute when your angry.
Stop laughing and learn to read and comprehend. I was not angry - I was copying your arguments. I guess it was all too much for you to understand.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 310 of 396 (618173)
06-01-2011 7:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 309 by tesla
06-01-2011 6:37 PM
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Re: open minded debate
tesla writes: Ok then fine. Let’s have an English lesson on the true meaning of this word supernatural one last time.
Answer this question correctly and I will accept your tuition: My parrot is blue. My parrot is not blue. Is my parrot blue? (You got it wrong last time. Maybe this time you will get it right.) Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 314 of 396 (618206)
06-02-2011 5:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 311 by tesla
06-01-2011 10:42 PM
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Re: open minded debate
tesla writes: I thank you for your concession, but let us not cease discussion if any healthy thing could be learned or discovered through continuation of discussion. 
Ok then fine. Let’s have an English lesson on the true meaning[sic] of this word 'blue' one last time. blue /blo͞o/ Noun, adjective: The primary color between green and violet in the visible spectrum, an effect of light with a wavelength between 450 and 500 nm. Adjective: low in spirits parrot /ˈparət/ Noun: A mainly tropical bird (family Psittacidae), often vividly colored, with a short down-curved hooked bill and a raucous voice, some kinds of which are able to mimic the human voice. Should I define the word 'my'? maybe 'is' too? Answer the question... My parrot is blue. My parrot is not blue. Is my parrot blue?
Please note (since you seem immune to anything even slightly subtle) this is how your posts are presented.
If you can't answer the question, then how are we meant to answer your questions?
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 320 of 396 (618289)
06-02-2011 3:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 319 by tesla
06-02-2011 3:24 PM
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Re: open minded debate
tesla writes: "A falsifiable idea, on the other hand, is one for which there is a conceivable test that might produce evidence proving the idea false."
Yay.  Now we get to watch you jump between definitions of 'Proof'. The parrot is blue and the parrot is not blue. Is the parrot blue? You have still never answered this correctly. Can you not understand English?
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 350 of 396 (618358)
06-02-2011 9:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 349 by tesla
06-02-2011 8:58 PM
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Re: open minded debate
tesla writes: There is enough belief that consciousness is outside of the realm of today’s science to validate research into the subject.
If consciousness is outside of the realm of today's science, what are you going to use to research consciousness?
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 353 of 396 (618363)
06-02-2011 9:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 351 by tesla
06-02-2011 9:15 PM
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Re: open minded debate
tesla writes: If consciousness is outside of the realm of today's science, what are you going to use to research consciousness?
Build on what science does know about brain function and communication. How is information sent and received in the brain? What is the role of electricity in the brain? What frequency is that electricity? Do the electrical impulses carry data like computers transfer data, or in some other way? How does the brain come up with ideas? Are idea’s chemically, or electrically generated? What area of the brain interprets data that has been stored? Could brain waves interpret data from an outside source besides its own brain tissue? Etc. etc.
How are you going to look or test for any of those things? Can you give an actual example of how you might research consciousness? Please describe the process you would use. (Remember that you can't use science as you've already shown that consciousness is beyond the realm of today's science.) Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 357 of 396 (618388)
06-03-2011 6:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 354 by tesla
06-02-2011 9:48 PM
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Re: open minded debate
tesla writes: (Remember that you can't use science as you've already shown that consciousness is beyond the realm of today's science.)
consciousness is only beyond todays science because it does not have accelerated funding for its research. It is currently researched quite well, but it could do better.
How could it do better? How can it be researched at all? As you asserted: consciousness is beyond the realm of today's science. If consciousness is outside of the realm of today's science, what are you going to use to research consciousness?
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 359 of 396 (618412)
06-03-2011 9:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 354 by tesla
06-02-2011 9:48 PM
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Re: open minded debate
Ah...I see. When someone asks you a question that points out the flaws in your logic, your response is to ignore the question. An effective but disingenuous technique. As someone from this forum previously pointed out: refusing to answer direct questions is a sign of lying.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 369 of 396 (618448)
06-03-2011 11:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 361 by tesla
06-03-2011 10:01 AM
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Re: open minded debate
tesla writes: Ah...I see.
When someone asks you a question that points out the flaws in your logic, your response is to ignore the question.
An effective but disingenuous technique. I have already answered your questions in other posts. Read my last post to scientific. If you leave me nothing to discuss, but only something to bicker, I choose to acknowledge and not bicker.
No, you have not answered the question. Your reply to Scienctifictruths was about funding. As I asked previously: If consciousness is outside of the realm of today's science, what are you going to use to research consciousness? Can you give an actual example of how you might research consciousness? Please describe the process you would use.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 378 of 396 (618537)
06-03-2011 7:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 375 by tesla
06-03-2011 1:47 PM
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Re: open minded debate
tesla writes: If consciousness is outside of the realm of today's science, what are you going to use to research consciousness?
Can you give an actual example of how you might research consciousness?
Please describe the process you would use.
I would hire the top brain experts and ask them what they needed to begin experiments to further understand how thoughts are interpreted and relayed within the brain.
Since you are explicitly avoiding answering the question by pretending to be stupid, I am left with the inescapable conclusion that you are a liar. If you think that lying brings any support to your theories, then you are sadly mistaken. I now acknowledge that you are clearly indicating that your arguments are false and that you are unable to back them up with either evidence or logic. I accept your capitulation.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Re: open minded debate
He has been asked many, many times to explain the 'how' of his research. I have asked him and now you are asking him. We have both asked several times. (He even tried answering the question "How do you do research?" with "I ask a scientist to do research".) For him to have still not done so must surely be because of either deceit or dementia. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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