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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/110415_darkmatter.htm
"Lack of success in dark-matter searches have fueled claims by some physicists that dark matter doesn’t exist at all." keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
You know, It could be a problem with the math.
Let's examine this posibility as well: Lat's say a spinning mass is off balance. take a beach ball, and in the center attach a metal core, one half iron, the other half aluminum. In a free spin (in space), will it travel? Edited by tesla, : elaboration keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
No real point other than what is stated. I’m aware that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So if a massive earthquake, or an asteroid impact can modify the behavior of a mass, a solar flare could move a star etc., then perhaps the behaviors are being affected by interaction forces (unseen matter in a standard sense) instead of invisible matter.
Or maybe the unseen matter is just too small to see, like a group of asteroids. Or again, our math could just be wrong. The greater the distance the greater the difference a small mathematical error can show (i.e. if you measure a 6 ft. line--next to a 6 ft. wall--and are off an inch the first foot, the difference at the end will be 6 and a half inches, with a line length of 6 ft. and 1/4.) It could just be variations in spins and balance because the 'evidence' is strong for spiral galaxies. I'm simply suggesting there are other possibilities besides invisable matter. I'm not a scientists, so You can take what ya want or leave it all at that. Edited by tesla, : added a wall. hey, maybe I'll make a room out of it. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
"Some theorists have suggested that rather than invoking dark matter, perhaps existing ideas about gravity might be wrong. Maybe gravity is stronger on intergalactic scales than what is predicted by Newton and Einstein."
From the article. Also: "all astronomers agree that dark matter is such an exotic idea as to border on the crazy." Also: "It is still possible there is some modification of gravity going on" This to me is propaganda; scientists have to believe in dark matter to have funding for science in their field. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
You know, light can do some funny things, because it will take the quickest path. We can only guess at what is between us, and what we are looking at over very long distances.
Gravitational lensing "There are ongoing searches to use lensing to find a type of dark matter called MACHOs (massive compact halo objects). Although MACHOs, as dark matter, cannot be seen themselves, if they pass in front of a source (e.g. a star nearby), they can cause the star to become brighter for a while, e.g. days or weeks. This effect has been observed, but determinations of the dark matter are not yet conclusive." keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
I'm simply pointing out that light can be tricky. All our stellar observations are of very old light (distance of a million light years means we see what that looked like one million years ago, not in current time)
There was a phenomenon of an iceberg appearing to fly. The light was following the fastest path to the observer and appeared in the sky instead on the ocean where it was, out of view of the observer. I'm saying: nobody truly knows, and there are still a lot of other potentials besides invisible matter to explain the behavior. We don't know, everyone is guessing. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
False. Scientists have to back their claims with evidence. And so far they have failed to do that. Many scientists see what they want to see. It doesn't mean there are no other explanations. The data has to be interpreted. It doesn’t mean initial interpretations are correct. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
Every single observation we make anywhere is of old light. You seem to be throwing up arbitrary distances so that you can ignore the evidence.
Initial post. That site [The initial analyses] is from: is dedicated to new science. I'm pointing out there is not any evidence.
Scientists aren't guessing. They are creating hypotheses and testing those hypotheses LMAO an 'educated' guess is still a guess ! keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
in general there have been positive results from other experiments.
well then, here is the update:http://www.world-science.net/othernews/110607_darkmatter.htm "Dark matter is estimated to account for nearly 90 percent of all matter in the universe, yet its identity remains one of the biggest mysteries of modern science. Although dark matter is invisible to telescopes, most astronomers say they know it exists because it exerts a strong gravitational influence over galaxies that nothing visible can explain." This paragraph sums up the evidence quite well: In science language, I read : "strong (apparently) gravitational influence" and: "nothing visible can explain." If all the space dust in a galaxy is collected, what is its gravitational capability? or does that not matter either? keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
There is something we cannot see exerting a gravitational influence on galaxies. We don't know what is exerting this force, but we've given it a name: dark matter. We have very strong observational evidence of this phenomena.
There is something we cannot see exerting emotional and behavioral influence on mankind. We don't know why this force has such influence, but we have given it names like "God" or "Belief structure". We have very strong observational evidence of this phenomena. Do you see that this evidence is not really any evidence other giving a name to an unexplainable phenomenon?
What we don't have any good evidence for is the nature of dark matter. We don't know what it is. No one is claiming we know what it is. One cannot make claims based upon insufficient evidence. That is exactly what everyone is doing though.
There are a number of hypotheses about the nature of dark matter. Maybe one of them is right, maybe not. We don't know yet.
Those entertaining the alternative hypotheses do not seem to be entertaining them here. Edited by tesla, : missing quote box added. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
But when you say "God" is "exerting emotional and behavioral influences on mankind" you're implying a very specific answer, one you have no evidence for.
Do you know anything at all about the history of mankind and mankind’s buildings of temples and cities in the name of God? Or noticed 'In God we trust' on money? Have you seen the joy in a person’s face in a church when they have prayed? No evidence? The evidence of the influence on this mystery called "God" on mankind is so bold and evident you can only ignore it to not see it. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
We give the cause of this gravitational influence the name "dark matter."
I see nothing wrong with that. What I am pointing out is due to lack of evidence it might be wise to put alternative idea's into the foreground and keep dark matter a potential until proven otherwise. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
A verified hypothesis is not an educated guess. Do you even understand how science works?
A verified hypothesis is not a hypothesis. Are you attempting to convince me that science has accepted dark matter as a fact? Because if so, scientists accept dark matter is only 'potential' and has no verification. Do you know more than all of today’s leading scientists? keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
Yep, matter that does not absorb, reflect, or emit light. What is wrong with that?
Um...lol
The sum of the mass is the gravitational capability. This sum is much less than the amount of gravity that galaxies are producing as observed by spin rate and gravitational lensing.
All our math of a body’s density and mass are approximations though. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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tesla Member (Idle past 1619 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
I posted a picture and posted a link describing research into dark matter. I described how it tested for the presence of dark matter, and how dark matter was verified. How is this an "educated guess"? Most would call it strong evidence, and most astronomers do.
The behavior that prompted the belief that dark matter could be a cause was verified. Dark matter itself has not been verified. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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