My HUGE problem with creationist thinking (re: Which version of creationism)

You keep using the words "race" and "ethnic" to describe adherents to certain religions. I do not think that those words mean what you think they mean.As has been pointed out, "race" is an inexact, rather meaningless term that has been used to describe individuals with certain ancestries and certain superficial physical features. People still use the terms "white" or "negro" or "Caucasian" as if they referred to something real, and often apply those classifications to different social groups. However, genetics doesn't support this."Ethnic" doesn't apply when discussing religion either. The term's meaning can overlap somewhat and is less arbitrary than "race," but they are not the same thing. "Ethnic" can more legitimately be used to describe people with a common culture, language and ancestry.Religious labels transcend these categories, though again, there can be some overlap. You can have both Pacific Rim and Middle Eastern Christians, African and Indonesian Muslims, or Ethiopian and South German Jews.I believe the term you want is "prejudice" or perhaps "favoritism."Sorry to nitpick, but it can never hurt an argument to strive for precision.

---

Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
-Theodoric

​

Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven Colbert

​

I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill

The classifications do exist. Just because they are arbitrary and have little scientific meaning does not mean that the classifications are non existent. Current racial classifications fall roughly along the lines of descent from the now discredited racial classes I mentioned above.People in the US self-identify themselves as belonging to one race or another regardless of the advantages or disadvantages of doing so, and that the rest of us respect those self-identifications as long as they pass the laugh test.

Oh, please, get off your high horse already. Science has been proven false over and over. For example, the so-called laws of gravity are completely and utterly wrong. According to them, smaller objects orbit bigger objects. And yet we don't see rocks orbitting mountains.Not only that, science flip-flop its position on every matter every few years. Only the Holy Bible, the true Word of God, remains constant and stays true for all of eternity.So, worship your false idols all you want. You'll burn in hell for all of eternity, Amen.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Footnote: This message got a 2 hr suspension.

I did not say they do not exist as a social construct. I said they have no scientific value. It appeared to me that you were supporting the view that "race" exists, when it most assuredly does not. Race, as a classification, has no value. In any case, I felt your stating that 'racial classifications exist' did not help your argument.But let me be more clear so that you understand why I called you out. When Acelalpha writes: I understand him to mean that he doesn't believe in the concept of "race" as it pertains to humans.When you wrote: It appeared to me to be a refutation of Acela's belief that the concept of 'race' is not valid. You assure us that "race" does exist. While you now seem to agree that, for example, Caucasoid is a faulty racial classification, it wasn't clear with your prior statement what value you ascribed to racial classifications.

The four distinct ethnic groups of old have disappeared long ago. This is mainly because of transportation and the mixing of the various genetic pools of the four groups.I may look black, for instance, but I have ancestors from France, Africa, Ireland, India, China and Indonesia. (and those are the one that I know about!!)People, like you, who think that the various "racial" groups exist don't know a thing about genetics. I, on the other hand, teach genetics and know better.I appreciate your response. I do agree with you on one point, however. I completely disagree with the use of nuclear power for energy and weapons production.kind regards,Acalepha

oh. I am new here. I assume that he was. Thank you for telling me that.Let us say that I use a "ID" as a explanation for creationism. Am I not substituting a make believe myth for a whole bunch of ethnic one? What ever way you look at it, you are dismissing the cultural beliefs of all the different ethnic groups that espouse them.That is wrong.I don't have the right to tell any religious person what to believe as far as their creation mythos is concerned.And neither do you.kind regards,Acalepha

I think that classifying people according to their "racial" group allows for stereotyping, labelling and control of that group.great point. I can tell we are going to be friends.kind regardsAcalepha

gene's are like eggs.They've been scrambled and there is no turning back.kind regards,Acalepha

If you can't cook it, chew on it, of throw it against the wall. It ain't science.Nice bible stories are just that.I'll read them to my kids before their bedtime. That's about it. It is certainly not empirical science.kind regards,Acalepha

Ok let us use the term prejudice to describe the behaviour of creationist thinkers who would dismiss the creationist beliefs of non-Christians.Either way. These religious people are completely wrong in their subjugating of a different cultures beliefs.kind regards,Acalepha

hey are you not going to try to answer my questions Taz?Come on. You can do it.Show me what you got, buddy!kind regards,Acalepha

you said;

quote:

---

Oh, please, get off your high horse already. Science has been proven false over and over. For example, the so-called laws of gravity are completely and utterly wrong. According to them, smaller objects orbit bigger objects. And yet we don't see rocks orbitting mountains.

---

Actually every atom in the universe is attracted to every other atom. The force of this atom depends only on the distance between the two atoms. The more atoms there are in one place, the greater this force is going to be. That is why the planets orbit the sun, because there are a whole lot of atoms that make up the mass of the sun. There simply are not enough atoms in a mountain to attract a rock. There are, however, enough atoms in the earth to attract rocks and other things towards it. (This is the force that we call gravity)

quote:

---

Not only that, science flip-flop its position on every matter every few years. Only the Holy Bible, the true Word of God, remains constant and stays true for all of eternity.

---

Are you for real? No one can be this stupid. You're kidding right!

quote:

---

So, worship your false idols all you want. You'll burn in hell for all of eternity, Amen.

---

Whoa! Are you really a Christian? Are we not brothers in Christ? and you're telling me that I am going to burn in hell for all of eternity. You don't sound like a Christian.Matt 7.1 Judge not lest you be judged!kind regards,AcalephaP.S. I belong to the Carmelite order. This is the oldest Roman Catholic order of monks on Earth. Careful when you discuss theology with me.Edited by Acalepha, : No reason given.

Race certainly has very little to do with nationality. I'm not sure why you even bring up where your ancestors come from.I don't care what your genes look like or even what you look like. I agree that racial groupings have only very little to do with genetics. The fact that the groupings are not scientifically defined is pretty much meaningless too. Race is a poorly defined classification that we might be better off without, but it still matters at least in this country (USA). My handle refers to nuclear weapons only. I've got no problem with safe, peaceful uses of nuclear energy.Also, I wouldn't spend to much more time arguing with Taz. His post was meant to be a parody. Apparently he's been suspended for fooling around once too often.

This is not right. Gravity depends on mass, and not all atoms have the same mass.

I live in Saskatchewan Canada. Uranium mining is huge here as we have 30% of the world's uranium reserves. The reason that I am so against uranium mining is that it is not cost effective. The last Canadian reactor cost 14. 4 billion dollars. Nuclear reactors are also not safe(ie.Chernobyll, Fukushima, et al) It makes greater sense to develop better ways of harvesting solar energy or tidal energy. Enough solar energy hits the Earth each day to power every city on the planet for 27 years. The is enough tidal energy in the bay of Fundy to produce the same amount of energy as 7 full size nuclear reactors. 180 square kilometers of solar panels in the mohave desert would produce all the electricity demands for the United States for the whole year.you get the picture, right?kind regards,Acalepha