The Awesome Phillip E. Johnson

Nice takedown. Since Discovery Institute claims that it addresses all criticisms, maybe you should send them your critique of Johnson's book(s).Then again they may already be aware that Mr Flimflam is hawking a sham, and not want to address that particular line of argument publicly.------------------
holmes

Maybe baseball isn't your bag. How about these two items...1) TNT (dynamite). This was created with the intent of helping mankind, but has been used by every political-military system since its invention to blow their enemies to smithereens. There is certainly a connection between what it is, and what it is currently being used for by most governments, but it is not a necessary connection.2) Nuclear Physics. This may be a better analogy. All this field of study does is describe the nature of the nuclear material of matter. Yet since it has stepped onto the world stage, Political-military systems have tried to use its tenets to create weapons greater than those based on dynamite to blow their enemies smithereens to smithereens.Eugenics existed LONG before Darwin's theories came about. Political-military systems... much as they always crave greater weapons... have in many cases craved creating a better/stronger citizen (or warrior). The Spartans were a fantastic example of this. But you can pick just about any of them. From killing the deformed, to arranged marriages (for benefit of glorious offspring that would result), governments have been doing it forever.In fact, all we are talking about is BREEDING. Humans have done this to animals for millenia and so it isn't surprising that early on they figured out they could do it to themselves. Are breeding manuals Nazi propaganda?Darwin's theories were based in part on looking at breeding that we saw humans doing, and asking if nature could do the same thing. Thus he did not start the idea of Eugenics, he just wondered if nature shaped species in the same way man already had been doing (but without purposeful ends, as man has).It is not surprising to see morons not understand what he is saying and using an observation as a mantra to action. Like moving from we can split atoms to generate energy, to Nature says we MUST split the atom to conquer our enemies!You can certainly investigate Nazis that misused Darwin's theories, or evolutionist writers that were also eugenicists (or Nazis).But to say there is a logical/necessary connection between making observations about nature's method of influencing speciation, and humans mandating human breeding programs is highly illogical... and contrary to historical evidence.------------------
holmes

Although I am unaware of Darwin advocating eugenics, for the sake of argument I will pretend that he did. I already said people who believe in Darwin's theories may be eugenicists as well.What I want to see from you is a quote by Darwin that says his theories on the nature of speciation is a mandate for eugenics. That is what morons are doing. Moving from an observation about nature, to an imperative about human behavior.If he said such a thing then that part of his theory would be wrong. This is something that MrHambre talked about in his post. The totality of "Darwin's theory" is not perfect and has been getting revised.This is one reason it ought to be called evolutionary theory, rather than Darwinism.And although I do not know of Darwin's popularity among Nazis, it wouldn't surprise me. They sucked up every bit of culture they could to rationalize their actions. You know they also believed in mysticism, Xtian religion, and vegetarianism? I mean these are deep in both their writings or their personal practices. Are these also "linked" to Nazism. If not, why not?------------------
holmes