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Author Topic:   Reply Quote function button to be disabled
Adminnemooseus
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Message 1 of 21 (29948)
01-22-2003 7:37 PM


I am going to disable the "reply quote" (quote entire message) function.

As I see it, the drawbacks much outweight the benifits.

Use of the "reply quote" results in (often much) redundant text (which adds to the server storage demands). Often this same text can be viewed by scrolling just up the page (is it the previous message?).

Also, far too often the use of the "reply quote" function results in UBB code errors, ranging from very minor to total messes. In the "total mess" situation, it is often difficult to determine who is saying what. And such "total messes" can be very difficult to repair.

Text can still be quoted. Just copy and paste from the quoted message. Use the UBB quote code - If you don't know how, see http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/PresentHTML.cgi?action=html&file=dBCodes.html&title=dBCodes

If Admin (aka Percy) disagrees with this discision, he is (of course) certainly welcome to reinstate the "reply quote" function. At this point I am finding it much more practical to have to ask for forgiveness, rather than asking for permission for making such changes.

Adminnemooseus

Added by edit: As it sits right now, the "reply quote" button will remain on the now existing messages - I leave it to Admin to do what is needed to reset the situation on the older messages.
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Adminnemooseus
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Message 2 of 21 (43429)
06-19-2003 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Adminnemooseus
01-22-2003 7:37 PM


Bump
Just a bump, for the newer members here. See message 1.

Cheers,
(Ad)Moose


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Adminnemooseus
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Message 3 of 21 (51701)
08-21-2003 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Adminnemooseus
06-19-2003 12:37 PM


There has been a question about this
As said in previous message - Just a bump, for the newer members here. See message 1.

I don't have message 1 right in front of me at the moment, but I believe I might have been a bit light in explaining some of the problems.

The biggest problem with the "reply quote" button, was when members would edit the quotation into smaller blocks of quotes and replys. If the UBB code wasn't done right (and it often wasn't), you'd end up with a big mess, where it was very hard to tell who was saying what.

Adminnemooseus

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Message 4 of 21 (89323)
02-28-2004 9:20 PM


The matter of the "reply quote" function button has come up at www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=19&t=76&m=9#9 -->www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=19&t=76&m=9#9">http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=19&t=76&m=9#9, so I thought I'd give this topic a bump.

The "Reply Quote" function button was disabled on 1/22/03. We had some really big messes happening (see upstring).

Since has grown considerably, in size and chaos, since then, I would expect that these mess problems would return even worse, if the "Reply Quote" function button was re-enabled.

Perhaps I'll try to get back, with some links to some of these messes.

Cheers,
Adminnemooseus


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Message 5 of 21 (89345)
02-28-2004 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Adminnemooseus
02-28-2004 9:20 PM


Responding to Buzsaw
Buzsaw, from http://http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=19&t=45&m=25#25:
quote:
Thanks for responding to my missplaced post on this subject. I will respond in this thread where I should have entered my post so as not to further disrupt the other thread.

I know what you're saying. Where this is used I've seen multiple long repetitive quotes, often by the same thoughtless user clutter up a thread and waste threadband.

I like your idea as stated. Could the quote button possibly be placed in a separate area of the post accompanied with a short message to the effect that users of this button do so at the risk of being censored if improperly or abusively used? .....Or even accompanied by a link for users to read before using this option for the first time?


Buz, you're getting closer to the right topic. Seriously, nice try.

Anyhow, this is the "Reply with Quote" topic.

The "Reply with Quote" messes are tought to control. Just like topic drift, it can get out of hand before a moderator can catch it.

Some of the messes of the past, which would happen again, would call for such extreme moderator editing that it would be contrary to the strong general policy of "no moderator editing for content".

It is easy enough to copy and paste the entire message you are replying to, and to then break it down into smaller quote bites. Personally (and there is another topic on this), I find the messages that contain alternating lines of quotes and replies to be very annoying (although I guess it's not as bad as a bunch of quote within quote within quote nestings).

My personal recomendation, is that the "Reply with Quote" button continues to be disabled.

Cheers,
Adminnemooseus (running in the babble mode)

ADDED BY EDIT: Actually, Admin/Percy does have a good discussion of the situation, at that other topic. That message can be found at http://http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=19&t=45&m=11#11

ADDED BY 2ND EDIT: At the message 11, Admin said this:

quote:
It might be appropriate to try an experiment. Messages are checked for improperly used UBB codes, and in the preview UBB errors are indicated in red. The software could be modified so as not to post any messages with UBB code errors. If members are willing to accept this change, then it might be reasonable to try re-enabling the "reply w/quote" button.

I think the above proposed might work, at least to prevent some of the problems. Your message won't post, if it has any UBB code errors.

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Message 7 of 21 (614046)
05-01-2011 12:00 AM


The state of the reply with quote (rquote) button
Note that this topic originated in January of 2003.

Admin/Percy restored the availability of the rquote button earlier this year (or was it late last year?).

Somewhere else (currently not found), I've comment on a few examples of the quote box structures getting fouled up because of coding and/or coding editing errors. These foul ups have been surprisingly rare and minor, relative to the messes which originally resulted in the reply with quote function button getting disabled.

That said, it does seem that excessive material is being quoted, and/or the quoting is being badly presented. Not to pick on Tram law, but my current example resides here. Tram quoted the entire message (from 2 messages up), while only the very tail end of the quoted was relevant to the reply.

So, I ask, reply with quote button - Good thing or bad thing? My impression is that things were better without it.

Adminnemooseus


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Adminnemooseus
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Message 19 of 21 (620033)
06-13-2011 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Trae
06-13-2011 8:56 PM


Acknowledging a message
To acknowledged a message (note as being read without replying), you click on the "You have not yet responded" at the bottom of the message that was a reply to your message. That toggles the "You have not yet responded" to "You have acknowledged this reply".

There is no "acknowledge" button.

As best I can see, the acknowledgement process is still working correctly.

Adminnemooseus


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