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Author Topic:   The Flood, fossils, & the geologic evidence
Coyote
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Message 219 of 377 (547701)
02-21-2010 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by solja247
02-21-2010 7:41 PM


I am not educated in science, yet. I start my Bachelor of Science next week. I need to do a lot more research before I get into debates with learned people. This is not me going, this is me saying, 'I'll be back'
Excellent!
I wish you the best in your studies. Hurry back!

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Message 240 of 377 (620143)
06-14-2011 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Chuck77
06-14-2011 2:26 AM


Brief notes on the "flood"
So, I guess if I were to rephrase my question it would simply be, where is the flood layer? Maybe? . So, is it at all possible since most of the world is covered by water, a lot of the evidence of the flood could be barried under the ocean floors, if in fact we aren't finding any evidence on land? Or "enough" on land? Im sure almost everywhere in the world has been under water at some point in time and that there are areas that would say so but can it be certain it wasn't all at once at some point in time?
When dealing with the "flood" we aren't looking at geological layers, but soil layers. The dating of the flood is ca. 4350 years ago, not in distant geological time. This is the conclusion of biblical scholars.
An early lesson in archaeology states, "if you want 10,000 year-old sites, look in 10,000 year-old dirt." For the flood we have to look in 4,350 year-old dirt.
Fortunately that is easy to find. You probably have some in your back yard.
The easiest place to find and analyze 4,350 year-old dirt is in archaeological sites where there are a lot of different time markers.
I have tested probably over a hundred sites that cross-cut that time period, and have found neither evidence of massive erosion nor depositions from a flood at the appointed time.
My colleagues around the world have tested tens of thousands of sites with the same results.
But we do find evidence of localized floods. The channeled scablands of eastern Washington state are a good example. These are about three times older than the 4,350 year date ascribed to the "flood" but they are clearly seen by archaeologists and geologists. See this website for some good details:
http://www.uwsp.edu/...ticipants/dutch/vtrips/scablands0.htm
Let me know what you think.

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Coyote
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Message 246 of 377 (620210)
06-14-2011 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Buzsaw
06-14-2011 7:22 PM


The Other POV ... is false
Buz, have you any comments on my post above, or are you just going to ignore the inconvenient evidence I posted?
Or will you just deny it?
What would probably be most appropriate would be for you to present evidence that my post is incorrect.
Posting that your belief contradicts it is not sufficient for inquiring minds. We like to see evidence, not dogma.
Have any evidence?

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Message 269 of 377 (621003)
06-22-2011 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Chuck77
06-22-2011 4:57 AM


Re: Brief notes on the "flood"
I see your points and all I can say is are the dates accurate according to how they dated these localized floods? I can't refute your argument based on the dates of these local floods. I have no proof of the worlwide flood when it comes to "regular" Science. All my info is from guys like Steve austin and Creationist sites.
The dates for the local post-ice age floods fit within an overall framework, which includes fauna and flora, geology, sedimentation rates, and so on. The whole package fits together nicely, as worked out by scientists over 100+ years. If there were any real dating problems you can bet that various scientists and advanced students would be all over them, trying to figure out where the problems were. A good way to become well-known quickly in a field is to find the answer to a long-standing puzzle. But at this point, the dating of the post-ice age floods is pretty well understood, as that site I referred you to shows.
You note that you find no proof for the worldwide flood in "regular" science and that you get your support from creationist sources. That should be a clue.
Keep checking out the real science sites, and perhaps you will learn a few things. The information is out there, in plain sight.

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Message 319 of 377 (622240)
07-01-2011 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 318 by subbie
07-01-2011 6:37 PM


Re: Population genetics evidence?
John Woodmorappe writes:
The relevant evidence clearly shows that Homo sapiens sensu lato is a separate and distinct entity from the other hominids. No overall evolutionary progression is to be found. Adam and Eve, and not the australopiths/habilines, are our actual ancestors. As pointed out by other creationists [e.g., Lubenow], Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, and Homo neanderthalensis can best be understood as racial variants of modern man—all descended from Adam and Eve, and most likely arising after the separation of people groups after Babel.
From: "The non-transitions in ‘human evolution’—on evolutionists’ terms."
Here is a good response:
But what is even more amusing what if this wonderful bit of creationist science was actually correct? It would have the following implications, most of which run contrary to what creationists generally claim:
The change from modern man, i.e., Adam and Eve, to these four species of fossil man took place since the Babel incident, which is usually placed after the global flood and in the range of 4,000 to 5,300 years ago. The change from modern man to Homo ergaster would require a rate of evolution on the order of several hundred times as rapid as scientists posit for the change from Homo ergaster to modern man! This is in spite of the fact that most creationists deny evolution occurs on this scale at all; now they have not only proposed such a change themselves, but see it several hundreds of times faster and in reverse! ...
http://blog.darwincentral.org/...-at-creation-science-part-i

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