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Author Topic:   The Flood, fossils, & the geologic evidence
Buzsaw
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Message 241 of 377 (620202)
06-14-2011 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Chuck77
06-14-2011 2:26 AM


Re: The Other POV
Chuck77 writes:
where is the flood layer? Maybe? . So, is it at all possible since most of the world is covered by water, a lot of the evidence of the flood could be barried under the ocean floors, if in fact we aren't finding any evidence on land? Or "enough" on land? Im sure almost everywhere in the world has been under water at some point in time and that there are areas that would say so but can it be certain it wasn't all at once at some point in time?
Chuck, from a creationist POV, two things:
The credibility of the Biblical record depends heavily on how researchers interpret what is observed.
So Chuck, what I'm saying is, don't get snowed under by flood skeptics without consideration of the above. I suggest you go to some of the archived flood threads where some of these things have been debated, bearing in mind that creationists may have been limited some in science forums, creationism not being accepted as valid science for science forum airing.
ABE: To answer your question as to where the flood layer is, it's rather random, due to the sudden catastrophic breakup of it due to erosion, uplift, volcanic action, tsunamis, etc. Much of the tectonic and other activity would have continued after the rains stopped and even after they receeded. The activity would have tapered off rather gradually, post flood, due to the unstable condition of the newly formed earth crust.
For what it's worth, regarding the Great Flood, Psalms 104:8 ASV:
quote:
The mountains rose, the valleys sank down) Unto the place which thou hadst founded for them.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 244 of 377 (620207)
06-14-2011 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by jar
06-14-2011 7:36 PM


Re: The Other POV
Jar writes:
What is even funnier, we actually have samples of the atmosphere from long before the imagined Biblical Flood that show there is almost no differences, samples from amber, from ice cores, from inside rock, from chemical reactions.
Assuming your conventional criteria and discounting the criteria alluded to above, that is.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 251 of 377 (620236)
06-14-2011 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by Boof
06-14-2011 10:06 PM


Re: The Other POV
Boof writes:
But how do would these hypothetical events effect dating of moon rocks and meteorites, which have ages which correlate very well with the oldest terrestrial samples?
Hi Boof. Welcome to EvC town. Most know my unique position on the age of the sun and moon. It is that the Biblical record does not give a time line for the age of the celestial bodies or the earth. The only time line indicated is for things created after day four.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 252 of 377 (620239)
06-14-2011 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by ZenMonkey
06-14-2011 9:51 PM


Re: The Other POV
Zen Monkey writes:
This is what people are asking about, Buz. You have never provided any explanation of how rain and flooding can somehow alter the atomic structure of matter. Never mind providing evidence that such an alteration of reality ever happened. I'd like to just see the explanation, even if there's no evidence to support it.
Whether or not you realize it, what you're really saying, when you say that we can't make any assumptions about the pre-Flood world because the Flood somehow altered the atmosphere, is that rainwater has the magical power to alter the nature of matter itself. The only real "assumption" that the dating methods you don't believe in are making is that the carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, etc. that we see today is the same thing as carbon, oxygen, hydrogen of 10,000 years ago, or 2 million years ago, or even 10 billion years ago.
I for one think that that's a pretty safe assumption to make.
Zen, my position has never been that the rain or flood skewed the dating. It has always been that the implications of the make-up of the pre-flood planet and atmosphere would be the reason for skewing the conclusions reached via research methodology of conventional science.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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